[WSBAPT] Life in general

Mon Apr 5 11:29:10 PDT 2021

Several years ago, I took several Myers-Briggs training sessions with a certified professional. I also have read several books on the topic, and I wrote a series of articles about it for the ABA GPSolo eReport. This does not make me an expert on Myers-Briggs. I know a little.

One thing I do know is that people, including attorneys, have very distinct personal types. I am an INTJ. "INTJs usually rise to positions of responsibility, for they work long and hard and are steady in their pursuit of goals, sparing neither time nor effort on their part or that of their colleagues and employees.” David Keirsey & Marilyn Bates, Please Understand Me (Del Mar: Prometheus Nemesis Book Co. 1984, p.181). 

I always think it's best not to judge other people, or assume other people *should* do certain things. The more you recognize that people are as different as the stars in the sky, and you allow them the space and flexibility to do whatever they want to do without your judgment, the better. As long as lawyers follow the Rules of Professional Conduct, let them run their practices as they see fit and work the hours they choose. Because, in all likelihood, their choices are in alignment with the personality type that they were born with.

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Tom Westbrook
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 11:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Life in general

Great story Eric.

I could be wrong here, but I think it depends upon a couple of factors: age, family and hobbies. Being 74 this month, I work pretty much like Phillip explained, when I want. On a nice day like today, I may work 2 hours but on a rainy day, maybe 4 or 5. We live on a horse farm so always lots to do outside. A weekend for me and my wife is just another part of the week and not as important to keep free like it was when our 5 kids were all home.
They got to help us on the weekend. 😊

The point being.......to each their own and don't be Judgey. At least that is my oldest granddaughter's word.

Sincerely,

Tom

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>
On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 10:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Life in general

I like your mileage Philip.

For what it's worth, I definitely understand Tom's perspective and his assumptions, because there are far too many of us lawyers whose time and energy to the practice comes at the expense of other things in life. I saw that when I was a paralegal in the 90s, and I've seen plenty of it as a lawyer since. Personally I discovered long ago that my enjoyment of the practice depends on whether or not I feel pressured to work more than I want. It's not the content of the work, but my control over time, that dictated whether the work felt fulfilling. So after about 7-8 years of too much work and starting to really hate the practice of law, I arranged things to keep better control over my time. That resulted in six months in a Mexican beach town followed by four months in Thailand, working 10-15 hours a week with a beer next to my laptop and lots of time to swim, surf, read, lounge, wander.... After that, I felt so much better, so much more in in control, that I discovered new energy and real desire to work more. Now (10 years later) I work close to full time but seldom more than about 35 hours a week, and take a day or a half-day off on the spur of the moment if I feel like it, and I swear I get more done and do better work than I ever did when I was feeling the pressure and working more hours. And I'm even a litigator, not an EP attorney. Even litigation, when kept under control, can provide for flexibility of schedule most of the time.

I'm sorry to clog everyone's inboxes with personal reflections, but since the topic came up, I think it's important to acknowledge that Tom's assumption about the cause of weekend posting is a valid one, even if Philip and I may be exceptions to it. And if anyone who reads this is feeling that horrible pressure to work all hours and is learning to hate the work and wants to get off the treadmill, just know that it can indeed be done, and the work can become enjoyable again.

Sincerely,

Eric

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On Behalf Of Philip N. Jones
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Life in general

I am in a firm of about 15 estate planners.  The firm was founded in the 1930s.  In the entire history of the firm, only three attorneys have retired.  All the rest left with their boots on, sometimes feet first.  They either died, had a stroke, or some other medical event that forced them out.
But they were still working.  Admittedly, most were working only a few days a week when the grim reaper (or the grim cardiologist) caught up with them.
Why did they keep working and not retire sooner?  Lots of reasons.  Some did not have hobbies or play golf or play bridge.  Some enjoyed the work.  Some needed the money.  Some had spouses who did not want them hanging around the house.  Unlike trial attorneys, estate planners can easily work part time.
And now with the pandemic, most of us are learning to work at home.
Personally, I now work at home due to the pandemic, and I am one of the people who often posts on weekends and holidays.  I enjoy the work, as I hope my posts reflect.  When I post on a weekend or on a holiday, I am usually lying flat on my back twiddling with my Ipad, often at the beach or in the mountains.  Also, during the week I do not work long days.  In fact, some of my weekdays are very short.  I do whatever I please.  And on weekends and holidays, I do the same.
Life is good.  I do not feel the need to get a different one.  As for others, your mileage may vary.
Phil Jones
Portland, OR

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On Behalf Of tom tsh-law.com
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 12:12 PM
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Life in general

After 45 years of watching the toll lawyering has taken on many of my colleagues, it is disturbing to continue to receive  this section’ s postings every Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter and every Saturday and Sunday. Think about it.  Let’s all get a life.

𝐅𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐓𝐨𝐦 𝐇𝐚𝐲𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐝'𝐬 𝐏𝐡𝐨𝐧𝐞
(𝐖) 𝟐𝟎𝟔 𝟔𝟖𝟐 𝟒𝟓𝟎𝟏
(𝐂) 206 𝟓𝟗𝟓 𝟏𝟔𝟐𝟏

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