[WSBAPT] WSBAPT Digest, Vol 69, Issue 21 / LAW SCHOOL GRADS
Jennifer Gellner
Jennifer at GELLNERLAWGROUP.COM
Tue Jun 23 12:27:54 PDT 2020
I would like to follow Carla's direction and send an email to the Court, but I do not see where Carla's email is located so that I can cc her as she requested.
I feel strongly it should be provisional or not at all.
Jennifer A. Gellner, LL.M.
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Today's Topics:
1. Social Security Overpayment Notice (Jennifer Johnson)
2. Date of Death Valuation - undeveloped land (Kristi L. Richards)
3. Re: Date of Death Valuation - undeveloped land (G. Geoffrey Gibbs)
4. Referral needed San Francisco probate (susan at pepetersonlaw.com)
5. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
and ABA accredited law school grads (Laurel Brown)
6. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
and ABA accredited law school grads (Andrekita Silva)
7. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
and ABA accredited law school grads (Andrekita Silva)
8. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
and ABA accredited law school grads (Andrekita Silva)
9. Re: Referral needed San Francisco probate (G. Geoffrey Gibbs)
10. Re: Referral needed San Francisco probate (G. Geoffrey Gibbs)
11. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
and ABA accredited law school grads (sgay at sbglaw-wa.com)
12. Re: Property Law Question (Those Darn Scriveners)
(Mark A. Morenz-Harbinger)
13. Danish probate law (susan at pepetersonlaw.com)
14. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
andABA accredited law school grads (Joshua McKarcher)
15. Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
andABA accredited law school grads (rob at hctc.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:14:05 -0700
From: Jennifer Johnson <jmhanigan at cni.net>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Social Security Overpayment Notice
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Hello all,
A couple days ago, a client received a letter from the Social Security Administration stating that the agency overpaid benefits to his now deceased mom, and that approximately $6500 needs to be paid back to the agency.? This was sent as part of the Steigerwald vs Berryhill class action lawsuit.
The facts from our client are that his mom was repeatedly denied SSI benefits until she passed away in June 2004, after which time an award of benefits was given, and client received benefits as a dependent.
The letter is addressed to ?The Family of XXX, ?decd?.? There is no estate from which to collect anything and she has been dead for over 15 years.? Is there any reason why this wouldn?t be time barred or does the class action lawsuit change that?? Can he ignore the letter?? Could he be personally liable because he received funds as well or as the beneficiary of her estate?
Thank you in advance for any insights.
Jennifer
Jennifer M. Johnson
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PO Box 39 - 68 Main Street
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 19:28:01 +0000
From: "Kristi L. Richards" <kristi at nwelg.com>
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Date of Death Valuation - undeveloped land
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Good afternoon. Does anyone have a good referral for an appraiser/professional that will provide date of death valuation for undeveloped land? It would be much appreciated.
The land is located in on the south edge of Snohomish County.
Kristi
Kristi L. Richards
Attorney
Northwest Elder Law Group
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 19:35:27 +0000
From: "G. Geoffrey Gibbs" <ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Date of Death Valuation - undeveloped land
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Highly recommend:
Jim Dodge
ABS Valuation
2927 Colby Avenue, Suite 100
Everett, WA 98201
425-268-2611 - office
Geoff Gibbs
G. Geoffrey Gibbs | Anderson Hunter Law Firm
2707 Colby Avenue, Ste. 1001 Everett, WA 98201
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Date of Death Valuation - undeveloped land
Good afternoon. Does anyone have a good referral for an appraiser/professional that will provide date of death valuation for undeveloped land? It would be much appreciated.
The land is located in on the south edge of Snohomish County.
Kristi
Kristi L. Richards
Attorney
Northwest Elder Law Group
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Seattle, WA 98133
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 15:15:34 -0700
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Referral needed San Francisco probate
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PC is an heir to an estate being handled by a professional fiduciary. She
and her mother (another heir) have serious questions about the handling of
the $2-3 mil. estate and PR has been unresponsive. They now feel that they
need representation of their own. All referrals will be forwarded to PC.
Thanks!
Susan E. Spuller
Attorney at Law
Law Office of Paulette Peterson, PLLC
710 Ericksen Ave NE, Suite 201
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:57:46 -0700
From: Laurel Brown <laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Cc: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>, "David
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
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Gregory,
I for one, would be willing to sign your letter. I would also be willing
to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this matter, should you
be interested.
Laurel Brown
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <gursich at insleebest.com>
wrote:
> List serve colleagues:
>
> I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad
> and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar
> exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar
> applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many
> times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020
> exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only
> 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly
> have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have
> varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a
> competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of
> competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many
> technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the
> bar exam provides.
>
>
>
> A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are
> admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit
> for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would
> remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in
> the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If
> they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then
> their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass.
> This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and
> passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in
> the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who
> ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long
> term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.
>
>
>
> I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by
> the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists;
> similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to
> the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich
>
>
>
> *Gregory L. Ursich *
>
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> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:
> wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Kaitlyn Jackson
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:13 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Cc:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs
> and ABA accredited law school grads
>
>
>
> Thanks, Michael.
>
>
>
> It also looks like Dean Clark set the stage to appeal to the Court to
> consider doing away with the bar exam altogether.
>
>
>
> Something to ruminate on, for sure.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:
>
>
>
> Below please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA Governor
> for District 2.
>
>
>
> ?Colleagues,
>
>
>
> As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with
> regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip
> the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors
> was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates
> be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19
> situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to
> require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in
> several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to
> minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was
> plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements.
> The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was
> important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent
> attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now
> reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter from the Seattle
> University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed to
> practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This letter (copy
> attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did not know the request had
> been made until after the Court issued its decision (copy attached), so
> there was no opportunity to alert members to the request or obtain member
> comment.
>
>
>
> The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar
> exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to
> practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed
> the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must
> still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.
>
>
>
> The pass rate statistics are as follows:
>
>
>
> For attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in
> approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half of all
> attorney applicants failed.
>
>
>
> For LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4 passed
> out of 10). The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1 passed out of 4).
> Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out of 24 passed.
>
>
>
> The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the
> Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will
> probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than
> about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite
> you to send letters to the Court: supreme at courts.wa.gov with a copy to
> me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire
> Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is *1-888-788-0099
> or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735. *
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Carla J. Higginson
>
> WSBA Governor, District 2?
>
>
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> *Michael S. Safren, Esq.*
> *Attorney at Law*
>
> 14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168
> 11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 | Bellevue, WA 98005
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> <Order Granting Diploma Privilege (004) (002).pdf>
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> <Letter to WA Supreme Court 6-10-20.pdf>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 22:31:27 -0700
From: Andrekita Silva <ak at seattle-silvalaw.com>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
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Quoting Laurel Brown <laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com>:
> Gregory, ?
> I for one, would be willing to sign your letter.? I would also be
> willing to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this
> matter, should? you be interested.
> ?
> Laurel Brown
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich
> <gursich at insleebest.com> wrote:
>
>> List serve colleagues:
>>
>> __I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> issue.? This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants
>> for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in
>> Washington is too broad.? First, bar applicants who previously
>> failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now
>> automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July
>> and September).? Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%.?
>> When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%.? I
>> certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I
>> think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30
>> years.? The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and
>> to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in
>> Washington.? We are a profession with many technical rules and
>> requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam
>> provides.__
>>
>> _____?_____
>>
>> ______A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer
>> exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can
>> practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of
>> 2021.? Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the
>> results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of
>> 2021.? If they pass that exam their admission continues.? If they
>> fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then
>> their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and
>> pass.? This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on
>> studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows
>> for gainful employment in the interim.? This approach would also
>> protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem
>> passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until
>> they can show their basic competency to practice law.______
>>
>> _________?_________
>>
>> __________I understand that this approach of temporary
>> licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license
>> dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers.? I
>> encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> important issue for our profession. ??Greg Ursich__________
>>
>> _____________?_____________
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> ______________GREGORY L. URSICH ______________
>>
>> ________________Shareholder________________
>>
>> __________________Skyline Tower, Suite 1500 | 10900 NE
>> 4th Street | Bellevue, WA 98004__________________
>>
>> ____________________P: 425.450.4258 | F:
>> 425.635.7720____________________
>>
>> _______________________vCard[1]_ | _website[2]_ |
>> _gursich at insleebest.com_______________________
>>
>> _______________?_______________
>>
>> ________________This electronic mail transmission is
>> privileged and confidential and is intended only for the review of
>> the party to whom it is addressed.? If you have received this
>> transmission in error, please immediately return it to the sender.?
>> Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the
>> attorney-client or any other privilege.________________
>>
>> __________________?__________________
>>
>> ___________________FROM: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] ON BEHALF OF Kaitlyn
>> Jackson
>> SENT: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:13 AM
>> TO: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> CC: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> SUBJECT: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to
>> LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads___________________
>>
>> ______________________?______________________
>>
>> _______________________Thanks, Michael._______________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________?__________________________
>>
>> ___________________________It also looks like Dean Clark set
>> the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the
>> bar exam altogether.?___________________________
>>
>> ______________________________?______________________________
>>
>>
>> _______________________________Something to ruminate on, for
>> sure._______________________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________________?__________________________________
>>
>> ___________________________________Sent from my
>> iPhone___________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>> _______________________________________On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44
>>> PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> wrote:_______________________________________
>>
>>> ________________________________________?________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________Hello Fellow
>>> Listservs and RPPT section
>>> members:__________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________?____________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________Below
>>> please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA
>>> Governor for District 2.
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________?________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________?Colleagues,__________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________?____________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________As
>>> you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors.? I am writing with
>>> regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school
>>> graduates to skip the bar exam this year.? Here is some
>>> background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April
>>> meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to
>>> practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19
>>> situation.? The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the
>>> Court to require that the exam be held.? The exam was scheduled to
>>> be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and
>>> September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by
>>> insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow
>>> social distancing requirements.? ?The Board felt that requiring
>>> applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect
>>> the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys.??The
>>> Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed
>>> itself, apparently in response to a letter from the Seattle
>>> University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed
>>> to practice law without taking the bar exam this year.? This
>>> letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did
>>> not know the request had been made until after the Court issued
>>> its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert
>>> members to the request or obtain member
>>> comment.?______________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________The
>>> Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a
>>> bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma
>>> privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT.? However,
>>> people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are
>>> registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so
>>> do limited practice officer
>>> candidates.?__________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________The
>>> pass rate statistics are as
>>> follows:______________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________For
>>> attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in
>>> approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half
>>> of all attorney applicants
>>> failed.??__________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________For
>>> LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4
>>> passed out of 10).? The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1
>>> passed out of 4).? Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out
>>> of 24
>>> passed.?______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th?in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda.? It will probably occur about 4 pm.? Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court:??supreme at courts.wa.gov?with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board.? If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is ?1-888-788-0099 OR 1-877-853-5247 AND THE MEETING ID IS:? 956 2364
>>> 5735.?__________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________Regards,______________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Carla J.
>>> Higginson________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________WSBA Governor, District
>>> 2?__________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________?______________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________Warmest
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> MICHAEL S. SAFREN, ESQ.
>>> /Attorney at Law/
>>>
>>> 14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168
>>> 11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 |? Bellevue, WA 98005
>>> P: (206) 859-5098 | E: msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> _www.jennylinglaw.com[4]_ | _facebook.com/jennylinglaw/[5]_
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________?__________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential and protected by the attorney/client or other privileges. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is not a waiver of any attorney/client !
or other privilege.
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________?______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________________<Order Granting Diploma Privilege (004)
>>> (002).pdf>________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________________<Letter to WA Supreme Court
>>> 6-10-20.pdf>__________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and
>>> others.***
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> WSBARP mailing list
>>> WSBARP at lists.wsbarppt.com
>>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp____________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________PRIVILEGED AND
>> CONFIDENTIAL:??This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended
>> only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may
>> contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the
>> intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver
>> it to the intended recipient, you are notified that any review,
>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is
>> prohibited. Attempts to intercept this message are in violation of
>> 18 USC 2511(1) of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, which
>> subjects the interceptor to fines, imprisonment and/or civil
>> damages. If you have received this e-mail in error, please
>> immediately notify us by e-mail, facsimile, or telephone; return
>> the e-mail to us at the e-mail address below; and destroy all paper
>> and electronic copies.?Any settlement offer contained herein is
>> made pursuant to Washington ER 408, and without admitting fault or
>> liability on the part of this firm?s client(s) or its
>> agents.??IRS?CIRCULAR?230 DISCLAIMER:??To ensure compliance with
>> requirements imposed by the IRS, I inform you that any U.S. tax
>> advice contained in this communication (including any attachments)
>> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the
>> purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code;
>> or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any
>> transaction or tax-related matter addressed herein.
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> ___***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is
>> not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include
>> non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in
>> related fields, and others.***
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WSBARP mailing list
>> WSBARP at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp___
>
> ?
> ___-- ___
> ___Laurel Brown___ ___/Attorney and
> Counselor at Law/___
> ___/5071 SW Waite St./___
> ___/Seattle, WA? 98116/___
> ___/425-361-6286/___
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[5] http://www.facebook.com/jennylinglaw/
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 22:32:21 -0700
From: Andrekita Silva <ak at seattle-silvalaw.com>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
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Quoting Laurel Brown <laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com>:
> Gregory, ?
> I for one, would be willing to sign your letter.? I would also be
> willing to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this
> matter, should? you be interested.
> ?
> Laurel Brown
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich
> <gursich at insleebest.com> wrote:
>
>> List serve colleagues:
>>
>> __I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> issue.? This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants
>> for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in
>> Washington is too broad.? First, bar applicants who previously
>> failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now
>> automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July
>> and September).? Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%.?
>> When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%.? I
>> certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I
>> think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30
>> years.? The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and
>> to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in
>> Washington.? We are a profession with many technical rules and
>> requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam
>> provides.__
>>
>> _____?_____
>>
>> ______A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer
>> exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can
>> practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of
>> 2021.? Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the
>> results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of
>> 2021.? If they pass that exam their admission continues.? If they
>> fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then
>> their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and
>> pass.? This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on
>> studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows
>> for gainful employment in the interim.? This approach would also
>> protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem
>> passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until
>> they can show their basic competency to practice law.______
>>
>> _________?_________
>>
>> __________I understand that this approach of temporary
>> licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license
>> dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers.? I
>> encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> important issue for our profession. ??Greg Ursich__________
>>
>> _____________?_____________
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> ______________GREGORY L. URSICH ______________
>>
>> ________________Shareholder________________
>>
>> __________________Skyline Tower, Suite 1500 | 10900 NE
>> 4th Street | Bellevue, WA 98004__________________
>>
>> ____________________P: 425.450.4258 | F:
>> 425.635.7720____________________
>>
>> _______________________vCard[1]_ | _website[2]_ |
>> _gursich at insleebest.com_______________________
>>
>> _______________?_______________
>>
>> ________________This electronic mail transmission is
>> privileged and confidential and is intended only for the review of
>> the party to whom it is addressed.? If you have received this
>> transmission in error, please immediately return it to the sender.?
>> Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the
>> attorney-client or any other privilege.________________
>>
>> __________________?__________________
>>
>> ___________________FROM: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] ON BEHALF OF Kaitlyn
>> Jackson
>> SENT: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:13 AM
>> TO: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> CC: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> SUBJECT: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to
>> LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads___________________
>>
>> ______________________?______________________
>>
>> _______________________Thanks, Michael._______________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________?__________________________
>>
>> ___________________________It also looks like Dean Clark set
>> the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the
>> bar exam altogether.?___________________________
>>
>> ______________________________?______________________________
>>
>>
>> _______________________________Something to ruminate on, for
>> sure._______________________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________________?__________________________________
>>
>> ___________________________________Sent from my
>> iPhone___________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>> _______________________________________On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44
>>> PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> wrote:_______________________________________
>>
>>> ________________________________________?________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________Hello Fellow
>>> Listservs and RPPT section
>>> members:__________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________?____________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________Below
>>> please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA
>>> Governor for District 2.
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________?________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________?Colleagues,__________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________?____________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________As
>>> you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors.? I am writing with
>>> regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school
>>> graduates to skip the bar exam this year.? Here is some
>>> background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April
>>> meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to
>>> practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19
>>> situation.? The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the
>>> Court to require that the exam be held.? The exam was scheduled to
>>> be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and
>>> September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by
>>> insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow
>>> social distancing requirements.? ?The Board felt that requiring
>>> applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect
>>> the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys.??The
>>> Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed
>>> itself, apparently in response to a letter from the Seattle
>>> University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed
>>> to practice law without taking the bar exam this year.? This
>>> letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did
>>> not know the request had been made until after the Court issued
>>> its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert
>>> members to the request or obtain member
>>> comment.?______________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________The
>>> Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a
>>> bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma
>>> privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT.? However,
>>> people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are
>>> registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so
>>> do limited practice officer
>>> candidates.?__________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________The
>>> pass rate statistics are as
>>> follows:______________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________For
>>> attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in
>>> approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half
>>> of all attorney applicants
>>> failed.??__________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________For
>>> LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4
>>> passed out of 10).? The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1
>>> passed out of 4).? Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out
>>> of 24
>>> passed.?______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th?in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda.? It will probably occur about 4 pm.? Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court:??supreme at courts.wa.gov?with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board.? If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is ?1-888-788-0099 OR 1-877-853-5247 AND THE MEETING ID IS:? 956 2364
>>> 5735.?__________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________Regards,______________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Carla J.
>>> Higginson________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________WSBA Governor, District
>>> 2?__________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________?______________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________Warmest
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> MICHAEL S. SAFREN, ESQ.
>>> /Attorney at Law/
>>>
>>> 14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168
>>> 11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 |? Bellevue, WA 98005
>>> P: (206) 859-5098 | E: msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> _www.jennylinglaw.com[4]_ | _facebook.com/jennylinglaw/[5]_
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________?__________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential and protected by the attorney/client or other privileges. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is not a waiver of any attorney/client !
or other privilege.
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________?______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________________<Order Granting Diploma Privilege (004)
>>> (002).pdf>________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________________<Letter to WA Supreme Court
>>> 6-10-20.pdf>__________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and
>>> others.***
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> WSBARP mailing list
>>> WSBARP at lists.wsbarppt.com
>>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp____________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________PRIVILEGED AND
>> CONFIDENTIAL:??This e-mail (including any attachments) is intended
>> only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may
>> contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the
>> intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver
>> it to the intended recipient, you are notified that any review,
>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is
>> prohibited. Attempts to intercept this message are in violation of
>> 18 USC 2511(1) of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, which
>> subjects the interceptor to fines, imprisonment and/or civil
>> damages. If you have received this e-mail in error, please
>> immediately notify us by e-mail, facsimile, or telephone; return
>> the e-mail to us at the e-mail address below; and destroy all paper
>> and electronic copies.?Any settlement offer contained herein is
>> made pursuant to Washington ER 408, and without admitting fault or
>> liability on the part of this firm?s client(s) or its
>> agents.??IRS?CIRCULAR?230 DISCLAIMER:??To ensure compliance with
>> requirements imposed by the IRS, I inform you that any U.S. tax
>> advice contained in this communication (including any attachments)
>> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the
>> purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code;
>> or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any
>> transaction or tax-related matter addressed herein.
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> ___***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is
>> not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include
>> non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in
>> related fields, and others.***
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WSBARP mailing list
>> WSBARP at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp___
>
> ?
> ___-- ___
> ___Laurel Brown___ ___/Attorney and
> Counselor at Law/___
> ___/5071 SW Waite St./___
> ___/Seattle, WA? 98116/___
> ___/425-361-6286/___
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[2] http://www.insleebest.com/
[3] mailto:msafren at jennylinglaw.com
[4] http://www.jennylinglaw.com
[5] http://www.facebook.com/jennylinglaw/
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Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000
Seattle, Washington 98101
206-224-8288
www.seattle-silvalaw.com
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 22:37:43 -0700
From: Andrekita Silva <ak at seattle-silvalaw.com>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>,
gursich at insleebest.com
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
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Law Office of
F.ANDREKITA SILVA
________________________________________________________________________
?
.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????June 22, 2020
Gregory and Laurel,
Although I really like to keep an open mind about testing, and
although I wasn't aware that some states had wiped out this
requirement so hadn't given it much thought, this seems a little
sweeping to me, too.
If there is a letter being circulated that we can sign, please send it
to me as I would like to either sign off or write my own.
Maybe I would write my own but attach yours and reference it.? I
assume many letters have more impact than one signed by a bunch of
people.
andrekita
Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000
Seattle, Washington 98101
206-224-8288
www.seattle-silvalaw.com
Quoting Laurel Brown <laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com>:
> Gregory, ?
> I for one, would be willing to sign your letter.? I would also be
> willing to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this
> matter, should? you be interested.
> ?
> Laurel Brown
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich
> <gursich at insleebest.com> wrote:
>
>> List serve colleagues:
>>
>> __I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> issue.? This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants
>> for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in
>> Washington is too broad.? First, bar applicants who previously
>> failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now
>> automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July
>> and September).? Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%.?
>> When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%.? I
>> certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I
>> think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30
>> years.? The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and
>> to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in
>> Washington.? We are a profession with many technical rules and
>> requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam
>> provides.__
>>
>> _____?_____
>>
>> ______A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer
>> exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can
>> practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of
>> 2021.? Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the
>> results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of
>> 2021.? If they pass that exam their admission continues.? If they
>> fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then
>> their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and
>> pass.? This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on
>> studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows
>> for gainful employment in the interim.? This approach would also
>> protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem
>> passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until
>> they can show their basic competency to practice law.______
>>
>> _________?_________
>>
>> __________I understand that this approach of temporary
>> licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license
>> dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers.? I
>> encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> important issue for our profession. ??Greg Ursich__________
>>
>> _____________?_____________
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> ______________GREGORY L. URSICH ______________
>>
>> ________________Shareholder________________
>>
>> __________________Skyline Tower, Suite 1500 | 10900 NE
>> 4th Street | Bellevue, WA 98004__________________
>>
>> ____________________P: 425.450.4258 | F:
>> 425.635.7720____________________
>>
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>> _gursich at insleebest.com_______________________
>>
>> _______________?_______________
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>> ___________________FROM: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] ON BEHALF OF Kaitlyn
>> Jackson
>> SENT: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:13 AM
>> TO: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> CC: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> SUBJECT: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to
>> LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads___________________
>>
>> ______________________?______________________
>>
>> _______________________Thanks, Michael._______________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________?__________________________
>>
>> ___________________________It also looks like Dean Clark set
>> the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the
>> bar exam altogether.?___________________________
>>
>> ______________________________?______________________________
>>
>>
>> _______________________________Something to ruminate on, for
>> sure._______________________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________________?__________________________________
>>
>> ___________________________________Sent from my
>> iPhone___________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>> _______________________________________On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44
>>> PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> wrote:_______________________________________
>>
>>> ________________________________________?________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________Hello Fellow
>>> Listservs and RPPT section
>>> members:__________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________?____________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________Below
>>> please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA
>>> Governor for District 2.
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________?________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________?Colleagues,__________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________?____________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________As
>>> you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors.? I am writing with
>>> regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school
>>> graduates to skip the bar exam this year.? Here is some
>>> background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April
>>> meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to
>>> practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19
>>> situation.? The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the
>>> Court to require that the exam be held.? The exam was scheduled to
>>> be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and
>>> September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by
>>> insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow
>>> social distancing requirements.? ?The Board felt that requiring
>>> applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect
>>> the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys.??The
>>> Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed
>>> itself, apparently in response to a letter from the Seattle
>>> University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed
>>> to practice law without taking the bar exam this year.? This
>>> letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did
>>> not know the request had been made until after the Court issued
>>> its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert
>>> members to the request or obtain member
>>> comment.?______________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________The
>>> Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a
>>> bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma
>>> privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT.? However,
>>> people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are
>>> registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so
>>> do limited practice officer
>>> candidates.?__________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________The
>>> pass rate statistics are as
>>> follows:______________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________For
>>> attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in
>>> approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half
>>> of all attorney applicants
>>> failed.??__________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________For
>>> LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4
>>> passed out of 10).? The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1
>>> passed out of 4).? Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out
>>> of 24
>>> passed.?______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________?________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th?in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda.? It will probably occur about 4 pm.? Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court:??supreme at courts.wa.gov?with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board.? If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is ?1-888-788-0099 OR 1-877-853-5247 AND THE MEETING ID IS:? 956 2364
>>> 5735.?__________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________Regards,______________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Carla J.
>>> Higginson________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________WSBA Governor, District
>>> 2?__________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________?____________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________?______________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________Warmest
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> MICHAEL S. SAFREN, ESQ.
>>> /Attorney at Law/
>>>
>>> 14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168
>>> 11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 |? Bellevue, WA 98005
>>> P: (206) 859-5098 | E: msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> _www.jennylinglaw.com[4]_ | _facebook.com/jennylinglaw/[5]_
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________?__________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________?______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________________<Order Granting Diploma Privilege (004)
>>> (002).pdf>________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________________<Letter to WA Supreme Court
>>> 6-10-20.pdf>__________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:15:02 +0000
From: "G. Geoffrey Gibbs" <ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Referral needed San Francisco probate
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Ignore my last. I see it in the title.
G. Geoffrey Gibbs | Anderson Hunter Law Firm
2707 Colby Avenue, Ste. 1001 Everett, WA 98201
PO Box 5397, Everett, WA 98206-5397
Phone: (425) 252-5161 | Fax: (425) 258-3345
Direct Phone Line: 425-303-3101
ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com<mailto:ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com>
www.andersonhunterlaw.com<http://www.andersonhunterlaw.com/>
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of susan at pepetersonlaw.com
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 3:16 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Referral needed San Francisco probate
PC is an heir to an estate being handled by a professional fiduciary. She and her mother (another heir) have serious questions about the handling of the $2-3 mil. estate and PR has been unresponsive. They now feel that they need representation of their own. All referrals will be forwarded to PC. Thanks!
Susan E. Spuller
Attorney at Law
Law Office of Paulette Peterson, PLLC
710 Ericksen Ave NE, Suite 201
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
206.855.9293
Fax: 206.678.0105
We are committed to providing you with ongoing excellent service while protecting the health and safety of our clients and staff. Though as an essential business we are still open and accepting in-person consultations, we also offer appointments via conference call and videoconferencing. If you choose an in-person consultation, please know that we are taking all recommend precautions to maintain a healthy office environment. Regardless of how events evolve concerning COVID-19, we will continue to provide outstanding service in a socially responsible manner..
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:14:32 +0000
From: "G. Geoffrey Gibbs" <ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Referral needed San Francisco probate
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In what county ?
G. Geoffrey Gibbs | Anderson Hunter Law Firm
2707 Colby Avenue, Ste. 1001 Everett, WA 98201
PO Box 5397, Everett, WA 98206-5397
Phone: (425) 252-5161 | Fax: (425) 258-3345
Direct Phone Line: 425-303-3101
ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com<mailto:ggibbs at andersonhunterlaw.com>
www.andersonhunterlaw.com<http://www.andersonhunterlaw.com/>
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of susan at pepetersonlaw.com
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 3:16 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Referral needed San Francisco probate
PC is an heir to an estate being handled by a professional fiduciary. She and her mother (another heir) have serious questions about the handling of the $2-3 mil. estate and PR has been unresponsive. They now feel that they need representation of their own. All referrals will be forwarded to PC. Thanks!
Susan E. Spuller
Attorney at Law
Law Office of Paulette Peterson, PLLC
710 Ericksen Ave NE, Suite 201
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
206.855.9293
Fax: 206.678.0105
We are committed to providing you with ongoing excellent service while protecting the health and safety of our clients and staff. Though as an essential business we are still open and accepting in-person consultations, we also offer appointments via conference call and videoconferencing. If you choose an in-person consultation, please know that we are taking all recommend precautions to maintain a healthy office environment. Regardless of how events evolve concerning COVID-19, we will continue to provide outstanding service in a socially responsible manner..
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:15:45 -0700
From: <sgay at sbglaw-wa.com>
To: <ak at seattle-silvalaw.com>, "'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'"
<wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>, <gursich at insleebest.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
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I agree with Laurel, Andrekita and Gregory and would sign a group letter if proposed. Best regards,
Sandi Gay
SANDRA BATES GAY, PS
Attorney at Law
Sandra Bates Gay, PS
23515 N.E. Novelty Hill Rd.
Suite B211-397
Redmond, WA 98053
Ph: (425) 637-3040
Fax: (425) 952-0156
E-Mail: sgay at sbglaw-wa.com
From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Andrekita Silva
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 10:38 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>; gursich at insleebest.com
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
Law Office of
F.ANDREKITA SILVA
________________________________________________________________________
. June 22, 2020
Gregory and Laurel,
Although I really like to keep an open mind about testing, and although I wasn't aware that some states had wiped out this requirement so hadn't given it much thought, this seems a little sweeping to me, too.
If there is a letter being circulated that we can sign, please send it to me as I would like to either sign off or write my own.
Maybe I would write my own but attach yours and reference it. I assume many letters have more impact than one signed by a bunch of people.
andrekita
Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000
Seattle, Washington 98101
206-224-8288
www.seattle-silvalaw.com <http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com>
Quoting Laurel Brown <laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com <mailto:laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com> >:
Gregory,
I for one, would be willing to sign your letter. I would also be willing to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this matter, should you be interested.
Laurel Brown
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <gursich at insleebest.com <mailto:gursich at insleebest.com> > wrote:
List serve colleagues:
I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.
A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.
I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich
Gregory L. Ursich
Shareholder
Skyline Tower, Suite 1500 | 10900 NE 4th Street | Bellevue, WA 98004
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To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com> >
Cc: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com <mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com> >
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
Thanks, Michael.
It also looks like Dean Clark set the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the bar exam altogether.
Something to ruminate on, for sure.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com <mailto:msafren at jennylinglaw.com> wrote:
?
Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:
Below please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA Governor for District 2.
?Colleagues,
As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!
from the Seattle University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed to practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did not know the request had been made until after the Court issued its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert members to the request or obtain member comment.
The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.
The pass rate statistics are as follows:
For attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half of all attorney applicants failed.
For LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4 passed out of 10). The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1 passed out of 4). Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out of 24 passed.
The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: <mailto:supreme at courts.wa.gov> supreme at courts.wa.gov with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.
Regards,
Carla J. Higginson
WSBA Governor, District 2?
Warmest regards,
Michael S. Safren, Esq.
Attorney at Law
14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168
11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 | Bellevue, WA 98005
P: (206) 859-5098 | E: msafren at jennylinglaw.com <mailto:msafren at jennylinglaw.com>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:55:29 -0700
From: "Mark A. Morenz-Harbinger" <mark at harbingerandassociates.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Property Law Question (Those Darn Scriveners)
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Thanks to everyone, online and off, for their responses to my property
law question.
For the record, Olympic Title and Escrow (Silverdale office) got me what
I needed in very short order. Highly recommend.
Best,
_Mark
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 18:13:46 -0700
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> Hi Mark
>
> Most title companies in the county where the property is located would
> likely be willing to do a brief search for a prior deed. If you have a
> relationship with one of the companies or title officers, even an
> escrow department at the company, you should be able to get some help.
>
> If the most recent deed is inaccurate, then there could be an issue
> with some companies as being uninsurable with the incorrect
> description. You would at least want to use the correct description in
> the deed for your transaction.
>
> I believe that to properly correct the error, you need a certified
> copy of the incorrect deed, then you can re-record it to noting that
> it is be recorded to correct the legal.
>
> Hope this helps.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 10:00:06 -0700
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Anyone out there familiar with Danish law regarding inheritance/probate? If
so, could I trouble you for a quick phone call? Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:47:10 +0000
From: Joshua McKarcher <josh at mckarcherlaw.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>, WSBA
Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
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I agree. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this situation is the utter lack of process the Court apparently chose to pursue. They are not subject to something like the federal APA, I realize, but we are still in a state that respects the rule of law, proper processes, reasoned decision making, and thoughtful contemplation of dramatic changes to long-standing rules and norms.
In my view, their decision is wrong at minimum because of the apparently permanent nature of the admission to practice; and the (again apparently permanent) application to re-takers (truly just a shocking ?wave of the wand? by a court entrusted to safeguard the public in its management of a very powerful profession).
But even if their decision were right on the substance (or eventually is determined to be right on the substance), the utter lack of process, adversarial presentation, notice and comment ? anything ? is just plain shocking. If they indeed received a letter from law school professors on June 10 and drafted and issued an order on June 12 that is so fundamentally ?disruptive of the norm,? then they violated the spirit of their inherent authority to manage the bar, if not the literal law applicable to their authority to manage the bar.
To me, this order goes far beyond any other orders or oversight they have provided to the recently tumultuous WSBA. I have not reacted at all to any of those orders or oversight efforts. To this one, I reacted with shocked disbelief. We few who did cannot be alone, and we cannot just be discounted as blind adherents to the way things have always been.
Best regards, Josh
Joshua D. McKarcher
McKarcher Law PLLC
537 6th Street
Clarkston, WA 99403
(509) 758-3345
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josh at mckarcherlaw.com
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Josh Grant <jgrant at accima.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:19 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads
While an argument can be made that those who aren?t able to take the test under these special circumstances should get a license (and yes why not make it provisional?) I think it is very poor judgment to grant a license to someone who flunked the test!! This doesn?t make sense to me.
Josh
Joshua F. Grant
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Wilbur, WA 99185
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From: Gregory L. Ursich
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 8:05 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Cc: David J. Lawyer ; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads
List serve colleagues:
I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.
A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.
I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
Thanks, Michael.
It also looks like Dean Clark set the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the bar exam altogether.
Something to ruminate on, for sure.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com wrote:
?
Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:
Below please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA Governor for District 2.
?Colleagues,
As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!
from the Seattle University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed to practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did not know the request had been made until after the Court issued its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert members to the request or obtain member comment.
The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.
The pass rate statistics are as follows:
For attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half of all attorney applicants failed.
For LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4 passed out of 10). The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1 passed out of 4). Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out of 24 passed.
The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: supreme at courts.wa.gov with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.
Regards,
Carla J. Higginson
WSBA Governor, District 2?
Warmest regards,
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 11:08:09 -0700
From: <rob at hctc.com>
To: "'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'" <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>,
"'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege
to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads
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This is what I sent Governor Hunter on June 17:
Kim, here?s what we are thinking (the royal ?we?): the Supreme Court totally blew it. It did something that it is very particularly not supposed to do ? made a decision without getting all of the necessary information and without going through a process that was inclusive and transparent.
They just plain screwed up. Now they will either admit it or try to hide behind some phony arguments. But there is not enough lipstick anywhere to put on this pig.
Wouldn?t it be refreshing to hear them admit their mistake?
The Bar?s strategy should not be to punish them publicly, it should be to show them a door where they can make their escape without coming off as tone deaf dictators.
Rob (now, Rob, tell us what you really think? .)
Robert D. Wilson-Hoss
Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Joshua McKarcher
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:47 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads
I agree. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this situation is the utter lack of process the Court apparently chose to pursue. They are not subject to something like the federal APA, I realize, but we are still in a state that respects the rule of law, proper processes, reasoned decision making, and thoughtful contemplation of dramatic changes to long-standing rules and norms.
In my view, their decision is wrong at minimum because of the apparently permanent nature of the admission to practice; and the (again apparently permanent) application to re-takers (truly just a shocking ?wave of the wand? by a court entrusted to safeguard the public in its management of a very powerful profession).
But even if their decision were right on the substance (or eventually is determined to be right on the substance), the utter lack of process, adversarial presentation, notice and comment ? anything ? is just plain shocking. If they indeed received a letter from law school professors on June 10 and drafted and issued an order on June 12 that is so fundamentally ?disruptive of the norm,? then they violated the spirit of their inherent authority to manage the bar, if not the literal law applicable to their authority to manage the bar.
To me, this order goes far beyond any other orders or oversight they have provided to the recently tumultuous WSBA. I have not reacted at all to any of those orders or oversight efforts. To this one, I reacted with shocked disbelief. We few who did cannot be alone, and we cannot just be discounted as blind adherents to the way things have always been.
Best regards, Josh
Joshua D. McKarcher
McKarcher Law PLLC
537 6th Street
Clarkston, WA 99403
(509) 758-3345
(509) 758-3314 (fax)
josh at mckarcherlaw.com <mailto:josh at mckarcherlaw.com>
_____
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> > on behalf of Josh Grant <jgrant at accima.com <mailto:jgrant at accima.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:19 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads
While an argument can be made that those who aren?t able to take the test under these special circumstances should get a license (and yes why not make it provisional?) I think it is very poor judgment to grant a license to someone who flunked the test!! This doesn?t make sense to me.
Josh
Joshua F. Grant
P. O. Box 619
Wilbur, WA 99185
509 647 5578
From: Gregory L. Ursich
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 8:05 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Cc: David J. Lawyer ; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads
List serve colleagues:
I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.
A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.
I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich
Gregory L. Ursich
Shareholder
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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:13 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com <mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com> >
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
Thanks, Michael.
It also looks like Dean Clark set the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the bar exam altogether.
Something to ruminate on, for sure.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com <mailto:msafren at jennylinglaw.com> wrote:
?
Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:
Below please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA Governor for District 2.
?Colleagues,
As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!
from the Seattle University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed to practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did not know the request had been made until after the Court issued its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert members to the request or obtain member comment.
The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.
The pass rate statistics are as follows:
For attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half of all attorney applicants failed.
For LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4 passed out of 10). The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1 passed out of 4). Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out of 24 passed.
The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: supreme at courts.wa.gov <mailto:supreme at courts.wa.gov> with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.
Regards,
Carla J. Higginson
WSBA Governor, District 2?
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