[WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads
Andrekita Silva
ak at seattle-silvalaw.com
Mon Jun 22 22:37:43 PDT 2020
Law Office of
F.ANDREKITA SILVA
________________________________________________________________________
.
June 22, 2020
Gregory and Laurel,
Although I really like to keep an open mind about testing, and
although I wasn't aware that some states had wiped out this
requirement so hadn't given it much thought, this seems a little
sweeping to me, too.
If there is a letter being circulated that we can sign, please send it
to me as I would like to either sign off or write my own.
Maybe I would write my own but attach yours and reference it. I
assume many letters have more impact than one signed by a bunch of
people.
andrekita
Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000
Seattle, Washington 98101
206-224-8288
www.seattle-silvalaw.com
Quoting Laurel Brown <laurel.brown8385 at gmail.com>:
> Gregory,
> I for one, would be willing to sign your letter. I would also be
> willing to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this
> matter, should you be interested.
>
> Laurel Brown
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich
> <gursich at insleebest.com> wrote:
>
>> List serve colleagues:
>>
>> __I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants
>> for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in
>> Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously
>> failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now
>> automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July
>> and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%.
>> When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I
>> certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I
>> think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30
>> years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and
>> to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in
>> Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and
>> requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam
>> provides.__
>>
>> _____ _____
>>
>> ______A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer
>> exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can
>> practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of
>> 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the
>> results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of
>> 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they
>> fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then
>> their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and
>> pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on
>> studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows
>> for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also
>> protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem
>> passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until
>> they can show their basic competency to practice law.______
>>
>> _________ _________
>>
>> __________I understand that this approach of temporary
>> licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license
>> dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I
>> encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this
>> important issue for our profession. –Greg Ursich__________
>>
>> _____________ _____________
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> ______________GREGORY L. URSICH ______________
>>
>> ________________Shareholder________________
>>
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>> ___________________FROM: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] ON BEHALF OF Kaitlyn
>> Jackson
>> SENT: Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:13 AM
>> TO: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> CC: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> SUBJECT: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to
>> LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads___________________
>>
>> ______________________ ______________________
>>
>> _______________________Thanks, Michael._______________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________ __________________________
>>
>> ___________________________It also looks like Dean Clark set
>> the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the
>> bar exam altogether. ___________________________
>>
>> ______________________________ ______________________________
>>
>>
>> _______________________________Something to ruminate on, for
>> sure._______________________________
>>
>>
>> __________________________________ __________________________________
>>
>> ___________________________________Sent from my
>> iPhone___________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44
>>> PM, msafren at jennylinglaw.com[3]
>>> wrote:_______________________________________
>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________Hello Fellow
>>> Listservs and RPPT section
>>> members:__________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________Below
>>> please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA
>>> Governor for District 2.
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________“Colleagues,__________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________As
>>> you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with
>>> regard to the Court’s recent decision to allow law school
>>> graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some
>>> background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April
>>> meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to
>>> practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19
>>> situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the
>>> Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to
>>> be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and
>>> September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by
>>> insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow
>>> social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring
>>> applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect
>>> the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The
>>> Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed
>>> itself, apparently in response to a letter from the Seattle
>>> University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed
>>> to practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This
>>> letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did
>>> not know the request had been made until after the Court issued
>>> its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert
>>> members to the request or obtain member
>>> comment. ______________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________The
>>> Court’s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a
>>> bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma
>>> privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However,
>>> people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are
>>> registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so
>>> do limited practice officer
>>> candidates. __________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________The
>>> pass rate statistics are as
>>> follows:______________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________For
>>> attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in
>>> approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half
>>> of all attorney applicants
>>> failed. __________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________For
>>> LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4
>>> passed out of 10). The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1
>>> passed out of 4). Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out
>>> of 24
>>> passed. ______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court’s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: supreme at courts.wa.gov with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 OR 1-877-853-5247 AND THE MEETING ID IS: 956 2364
>>> 5735. __________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________Regards,______________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Carla J.
>>> Higginson________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________WSBA Governor, District
>>> 2”__________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________Warmest
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> MICHAEL S. SAFREN, ESQ.
>>> /Attorney at Law/
>>>
>>> 14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168
>>> 11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 | Bellevue, WA 98005
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>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________________<Order Granting Diploma Privilege (004)
>>> (002).pdf>________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________________________________________<Letter to WA Supreme Court
>>> 6-10-20.pdf>__________________________________________________________________________________________________
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