[WSBAPT] Pets in Will

Tue Aug 25 09:53:23 PDT 2020

Coming at this from the professional fiduciary direction - pet trusts, and basically any time we have pets in estate, creates unique challenges for estate administration and require detailed advance planning.  Decisions have to be made quickly to protect the health, safety and welfare of the animals (which may include livestock, inventories, etc.) and pet parents and other domesticated animal owners have various ideas for what they would like to see happen to their pets (personal property in Washington) at death and some will not work out as they hoped it would if the planning was poorly carried out.  If the plan includes working with a professional fiduciary, I strongly encourage engaging the fiduciary in the planning part to be sure (1) the client has actually spoken to the professional fiduciary about the pets, and (2) the plan in place is something the professional fiduciary understands, can do and is willing to do.  There should be a backup plan too.  A plan for pets should be every bit as thought-out as planning for every other living being.  Clients may say "I hope to be pet free when the time comes" but don't count on it - particularly if there are birds like Cockatoos in the mix.

Regards,

Mark

Mark C. Vohr, Esq.
Ohana Fiduciary Corp.
Ohana Financial Services
A Washington Trust Company
Mark C. Vohr, J.D., CPG, Principal
PO Box 33710  Seattle, WA  98133
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Rebecca King
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Hi Dalynne,

Would they consider a pet trust?  I am happy to send you my form.

Warmest regards,
Rebecca King
Attorney

Northwest Elder Law Group
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I agree completely with Stacey.  It is absolutely unacceptable for these people to have their pets put down just because they are gone!

Candace Wilkerson

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A decision to euthanize a pet is, or at least should be, one of the most difficult decisions a caregiver can make. These decisions should be based upon the individual pet's health and quality of life at the time. I realize that I'm using blunt language here, but these clients propose a "group kill" upon the second spouse's death with no other considerations being made. And that's just not right. Each pet should be treated as an individual. Also note that if the will refers to "any living pets," the couple could conceivably have a completely different family of pets at the time of the second death, and all of those pets might be perfectly healthy.

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Many other options exist. I've had clients in similar circumstances make these sorts of plans in advance, and then make charitable contributions in the wills to the places where they've arranged for their animals to stay, to either be adopted out or to live out their lives until it's time, based upon health and quality of life, to make that painful decision to euthanize.

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Pets in Will

I just yelled told the neighbor's kids to walk their nice black lab and hope the mom and her boyfriend come back at me for meddling so I can blast them for mistreating the dog.  So I am great with dogs, ok.  But is it possible these animals are old, unwanted and the people are worried that they will be turned over to the dog/horse refuge and maybe or maybe not adopted?  I get involved, intelligently or not, and have usually tried to figure out WWSD (what would Solomon do).  In other words, I would look at both sides and see what can be done, and I would tell them that they might consider talking to separate lawyers if they secretly have doubts.  If not that, then the least I would urge them to do is use some precatory language (as well as point out any possible legal issues if I know them), and pick a PR who will at least get a vet's recommendation as to health, etc.  If they are jerks, you can walk.  But if they are caring and sad about things I unfortunately would try to help.  Of course that is why I prefer cold tax matters over any kind of family matters, not an admirable trait, but what can I say.

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Stacey Romberg
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If this couple continues to insist upon killing their pets as part of their estate planning, I would withdraw from representation.

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Pets in Will

I remember someone asking a similar question a couple of years ago and the lesson learned was that there were state laws prohibiting burials of human remains with animal remains.  You should call a local funeral home to check this out.

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Subject: [WSBAPT] Pets in Will

I have a different request for a Will:  The married couple has several animals and most are not well.  They have no one to leave these animals (dogs and horse).
Upon the death of the 2nd spouse, any living pets will be destroyed and put with the cremated remains of the decedent.
I suggested contacting the vet clinic where they currently treat their pets to see if there is an alternative to destruction.  Any other suggestions?

Does anyone have language for a Will or is there a separate directive to be made for directions for pets after death?  Thank you.

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