[WSBAPT] Question about remote notary

Sat Apr 4 12:45:43 PDT 2020

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/publications/committee_newsl
etters/banking/2019/201907/fa_2/   

The above website by ABA provides some insight into RONs.  

There seem to be electronic endorsed notaries who notarize electronic
documents online where everything is digital, including digital signatures.

A RON notary and the signer is in two physical places but connected through
an audio/visual platform at the same time during the signing. My
understanding with RON and looking at the revised RCW 42.45 and WAC 308-30
the notary must be commissioned with an electronic endorsement here in WA.
My question is if a person signs in front of a RON notary, does the signer
mails his or her signed originals to marry up with the RON's certificate for
a complete document? Or will the Ron expect to mail his or her certificate
to the signer to marry up with the original signed document?  Not sure what
other procedures people have thought about.  

I looked through some videos too about RONs.  My worry that RON may create
confusion with clients to make it practical. Especially those who are
computer or internet challenged.  Those who are internet savvy will not have
a problem. 

Very truly yours,

Maureen A. Wickert, Attorney at Law

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        Tukwila, WA 98168

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One thing I have recently realized (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that
for RON to work, you need not have a Washington notary involved. It seems to
me that all our clients need to do right now to execute a power of attorney
or deed, etc., is to go online to one of these companies like NotaryCam or
Safedocs (that the DOL listed) and have them notarize the document (for a
fee of around $25). All their RON notaries for that self-serve option are
commissioned in Virginia, which was the first state to authorize RON in
2012. Full faith and credit laws are already existing in most of the states
regarding notaries and the federal government apparently is enacting one for
RON in the next few days that is nationwide. At least this is what I heard
from a webinar by NotaryCam today.

Ronda Larson Kramer

J.D., LL.M in Tax Laws, Owner

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Correct--the Department of Licensing has not even figured out which
companies are approved as the platform for remote online notarization. DOL
stated in an email to me yesterday:

Given the immediate effect of the remote notarization, the department has
not had time to vet individual companies, however we are aware of the
following companies offering remote notarization services. 

.          DocVerify

.          Notarize

.          NotaryCam

.          Pavaso

.          Safedocs

.          SIGNiX

.          Nexsys Clear Sign

Ronda Larson Kramer

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Quite frankly, when he issued this executive order, I thought there is no
way this can be implemented in such a short time for this brief window of
use. Unless I am mistaken, did the Department of Licensing's Notary Public
unit approve companies and their platform? Are procedure in place and
notaries approved and trained in these platforms?

To me this was a well-intentioned knee jerk reaction not carefully thought
out.

Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law

Licensed in Washington & Florida

Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary

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You also need a special license from the state specifically for electronic
notarization, which requires special software. 

Jamia S. Burns
Attorney at Law - Estate Planning 
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Governor issued order advancing to effective date to now. However if I
recall correctly it was only through April 26th. Might be wrong on that.

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Subject: [WSBAPT] Question about remote notary 

Are remote notarizations (e.g. via teleconferencing, etc.) allowed under
Washington State law, and if so, can someone please provide me a cite or
link to the authorization?  I found RCW 42.45.280, which allows remote
notarizations, but unfortunately, that statute does not take effect until
October.

Thanks,

John

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