[WSBAPT] Working from home but not alone

Wed Apr 1 12:16:31 PDT 2020

New legal assistant - working from home but definitely not alone !  😉

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Susan Donahue <sdonahue at sdonahuelaw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:49 AM
To: 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

Thank you all for the advice.  I will proceed to ignore the creditor claims.  I definitely feel that I’m not isolated working at home in my basement—even if it is a nice basement—with responses from you all.

Susan

Susan Donahue

Law Office of Susan Donahue

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P.O. Box 81

Twisp, WA 98856

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Kate Love
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

ha, interesting - thank you, Kate

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> on behalf of John J. Sullivan, Esq. <sullaw at comcast.net<mailto:sullaw at comcast.net>>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

One war story I will pass on. If the decedent owes money on a credit card, make sure the surviving spouse does NOT use the card post-mortem. I had that happen. The bank hadn’t filed a creditor claim, so after the two years expired we let them know we would not be paying the card off. Well they took the position because the surviving spouse had used it in a community property state it was her obligation. They reported the card to the credit bureau just as she was trying to close on a home loan, holding up the closing until she gave in.

John J. Sullivan

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Alexis Singletary
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

100%.

I have won that issue on Summary Judgment where the “PR” was served a creditor’s claim and quiet title action before the PR was actually appointed.  We sent the Notice to Creditors to all parties formally for actual notice.  They of course didn’t respond because they believed they already filed a claim.  Not my job to tell them they didn’t perfect service because there was no PR to serve.  Laid in wait until the end of the creditor’s claim period and rejected.  Creditor filed suit; I filed my SJ.

Fun one.

In yours, since no PR will actually be appointed, just ignore and see if any creditor does it themselves.  If not, ride out the 2 years and see what happens.

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

Definitely agree with Eric.

John J. Sullivan

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

Eric,

I like your thinking.  I’m willing to ignore them.  I agree with the idea that they should be able to figure out that a probate has not been commenced and therefore their creditor claim is useless.

Thank you for your response.

Susan

Susan Donahue

Law Office of Susan Donahue

125 West 2nd Avenue, Suite “B”

P.O. Box 81

Twisp, WA 98856

(509) 996-5944 (phone)

(509) 362-9692 (fax)

sdonahue at sdonahuelaw.com<mailto:sdonahue at sdonahuelaw.com>

www.sdonahuelaw.com<http://www.sdonahuelaw.com>

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
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To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

I'd say ignore them. If no probate has been started with a PR appointed, and no "notice agent" under Ch. 11.42 RCW has been created, then there is no basis for creditor claims. If they want to file a claim, they can go start a probate themselves. Claims sent to you are just recycle basket liner.

Frankly—and this is me being ornery—I also would not even respond to AmEx. If a company that big can't figure out what is and isn't proper, I see no reason to help them.

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Susan Donahue
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Subject: [WSBAPT] creditor claims filed in will only matter

Hello friends,

I’ve written about this matter before.  This is the estate that is insolvent with $97,000 in debts.  After the last round of answers to my question about how to handle this estate, my client decided to ride out the 24 month period and ignore the claims.  Some of you gave me great answers and advice. However, American Express, in which the decedent had three accounts totally about $18.,44, has mailed me three creditor claims.  I filed the will as required as a Will Only case with a cover sheet that had my name on it.  (my first mistake).  So, American Express has sent me three creditor claims to the case number of the will only filing.  Am I required to answer these creditor claims?  Should I reject them and say that the case is insolvent?  But that would require filing the claims which implies that a probate has begun, wouldn’t it?  Or, could I reject them saying that the estate is insolvent and no probate will be begun? Should I say that no probate has begun or will be begun in a letter to the agent who sent me the creditor claim?

As far as I can tell, the creditor claims have not be filed in the Will Only matter.  At least they are not on Odyssey Portal.   There is no filed stamp on them.

I could use some thoughts from any of you.

Thank you.

Susan

Susan Donahue

Law Office of Susan Donahue

125 West 2nd Avenue, Suite “B”

P.O. Box 81

Twisp, WA 98856

(509) 996-5944 (phone)

(509) 362-9692 (fax)

sdonahue at sdonahuelaw.com<mailto:sdonahue at sdonahuelaw.com>

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