[WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

[Claudia A Gowan]

My vote on the motion & the second is a 'yes'.

Best, Claudia

Claudia A. Gowan, PLLC

Effective Feb. 1, our new address will be 1001 Fourt Avenue, Suite 2100


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From: hhherman2 at comcast.net
Date: 1/17/19 10:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>, 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

I Second the motion.
I am already 92, but I intend to keep my membership active till I die. (Who knows?)
$0.01
Howard Herman WSBA 3244
Herman Herman & Jolley P.S.
122340 E Valleyway
Spokane Valley WA 99216
509.220.5810

From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:32 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>; WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

Michael --

Thank you for all the work you put into keeping this Section going.

This probably already has been a conversation among the Section governance folks, so I bet I'm late to the game here and I can only speak for myself of course, but:

I would happily pay higher annual section dues ($30 annually instead of $25?) if I knew that the additional amount made it possible to (1) allow inactive and retired attorneys, and title officers, to participate in the listservs for free; and/or (2) add some security to our listserv to make it a somewhat more private forum--messages and archives not accessible via Google search, for example.

Two bucks a month is already a ridiculous bargain for all the benefit I receive from this forum, so $2.50 or $3 a month isn't going to drive me out.

I think it makes sense for the Section to be free to people who are retired and don't need questions answered or any benefit from other Section services like CLEs, and are only sticking around because they want to provide help and advice to colleagues who need it.

I also think it helps our listserv conversation to know that one's questions and answers are somewhat "private" among colleagues and professionals, at least to the point of being protected from cursory snooping. I certainly don't expect a major security effort and true privacy online just isn't realistic, but I hope there might be some configuration that is within reach of the Section budget and workload that would help.

$0.02.

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen
SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC
1417 31st Ave South
Seattle WA  98144-3909
phone 206-625-0092
fax 206-625-9040

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Michael Safren
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 11:11 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Cc: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

Hello Fellow Listserv Participants:

I wanted to address some concerns that some of the listserv subscribers and participants had about some of the changes.  Specifically, some participants who are not members of the bar expressed concerns that the upcoming changes would force them to take on the economic obligation to join the bar.

I want to assure you that this is not the case.  A person can enjoy section membership in the WSBA RPPT section without necessarily being a member of the WSBA.  I've posted the by-law below to assure those who have these concerns that section membership is open to non-WSBA members.  Please note that non-WSBA members would not be able to vote in section elections, but would otherwise enjoy the other member benefits including: access to the Quarterly Newsletter, access to electronic resources such as deskbook sections, and access to the listservs.  Please see the by-laws below:

2 Subscribers. Any law student or other person may be enrolled as a non-voting member (“subscriber”) upon request and payment of applicable annual Section dues. Subscribers shall be entitled to receive the Newsletter of the Section and shall have access to materials and pages designated as "Members Pages" on the Section's web site, but subscribers have no right to vote.

2.3 Dues. Dues shall be paid annually in advance. Any person who shall fail to pay the annual dues shall cease to be a member or subscriber of the Section, as applicable. Dues, which shall be determined by the executive committee of the Section, and approved by the Bar Board of Governors, may differ for voting members and subscribers. The dues for law students shall be set according to the annual standard established by the Board of Governors for law student section memberships.

I hope this assuages the concerns of the non-member participants to the listserv.  Please know that everyone's participation in the listserv is valued.  The Executive Committee decided to implement these changes to the listserv in part due to the resources necessary to maintain and operate the listservs and to improve the overall experience for both the listservs and for section members.

Kind regards,
Michael Safren
Web Editor, RPPT section




On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:05 AM RebeccaWiess <rwiess at foxinternet.net<mailto:rwiess at foxinternet.net>> wrote:
The new policy means I and other retired attorneys will no longer be part of this listserv. I occasionally post on historical evolution of real property procedure or law, as a contribution to the education of those who come after me, and payback for those who helped me as a newbie thirty-some years ago. If institutional memory is valuable, then this listserv needs an emeritus status to include folks like me. If us old folks are not of value, then cut us out. And before you say “just join the section,” remember that retaining bar membership after retiring means continuing to pay bar dues and CLE costs. Once you do that, you get tempted to do some little piece of practice, and then you should be insured as well, and that means needing more income, and suddenly you are not retired anymore. Allowing non-practicing members of the bar to join still means you are going to eliminate some of your oldest and most experienced current members, because they retired..

Rebecca K. Wiess
421 24th Avenue East
Seattle, WA  98112
Phone 206 329-6638
rwiess at foxinternet.net<mailto:rwiess at foxinternet.net>

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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Safren
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 9:18 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Update on Upcoming Changes to the Real Property and the Probate & Trust Listservs

Hello Fellow Listservers:

I wanted to provide another reminder to all listserv users of the scheduled updates and upcoming changes to both the Real Property and Probate & Trust Listservs.

Starting February 1st, 2019, both listservs will only be accessible by WSBA RPPT members. The RPPT Executive Committee decided after much deliberation and input that the listservs should be an exclusive member benefit.  Starting February 1st, 2019, you will need to login into the www.wsbarppt.com<http://www.wsbarppt.com/> website using your section login and password in order to register for the listserv, access the listserv archives, and/or unsubscribe to the listserv.

Further, the Executive Committee has approved the adoption of new guidelines, rules, and general etiquette for the listserv.  These will be posted on www.wsbarppt,com<http://www.wsbarppt,com> under the listserv tab for all members to see and review.

Lastly, beginning on February 1st, 2019, all listserv postings will contain a disclaimer in the footer reminding all that while the listservs will be restricted to RPPT section members, not all section members are practicing attorneys.  Section membership is open to law students, non-practicing members of the bar, and even some non-attorney professionals in related fields such as title officers, real estate agents, and escrow agents.

The Executive Committee believes that these changes will improve the listserv experience for section members and deliver value to members as one of many available section member benefits.

I hope to make the transition to the members only listserv as seamless as possible  If you experience any difficulty during the transition, please feel free to email me and I will do my best to respond and assist you.

Kind regards,
Michael Safren
Web Editor, RPPT Section
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