[WSBAPT] Foreign national with no tax ID # and the Patriot Act/CIP

[Sarah Jael Dion]

John, thank you for your thoughtful response! I so appreciate it!

Sarah Jael Dion

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> On Jul 17, 2018, at 8:39 PM, John J. Sullivan <sullaw at comcast.net> wrote:
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> Sarah:
> 
> An intervivos revocable trust created by the PC would be a disregarded entity to the IRS, so the brokers would need a SS/TIN from PC, which is of no help. 
> 
> When PC applies for an EIN for an irrevocable intervivos trust I believe the IRS would ask for his SS as grantor. And he would need a third party trustee. 
> 
> Perhaps the settlement should provide for payment by certified check or wiring of funds to an offshore account in a third country? Like the Caymans or Panama? 
> 
> If the payor needs a TIN from him as a foreign person he could apply for one from the IRS through an American CPA firm in his home country’s capital and then direct payment offshore. 
> 
> John J. Sullivan
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Sarah Jael Dion <sarah at dionlaw.com <mailto:sarah at dionlaw.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all-
>> 
>> This is new to me- I’d love any insight on the correct way to proceed! 
>> 
>> PC is a foreign national coming into some money by way of the settlement of a legal action in the US. 
>> PC was here on a student visa for some time, and is now here on a tourist visa. 
>> PC's goal is to move here and work. 
>> 
>> PC needs a place to put this money in the U.S. There are a reasons PC does not want the money to end up in PC's home country, most of which involve taxes, corruption, and family drama. 
>> 
>> PC is under the impression that PC will not be allowed to open an investment account to deposit the settlement monies because Section 326 of the Patriot Act requires banks to ascertain the identity of its customers (CIP), and most investment banks would not open an investment account for a foreign national who lacks a tax ID#. From my research, it seems that banks are allowed to ascertain the identify of foreign nationals in the absence of a tax ID # (31 C.F.R. § 103.121(b)(2)(i)(A)(4)), but as a practical matter, I’m not sure how that actually plays out. 
>> 
>> Here are my questions:
>> 
>> (1) Is it true that a foreign national without a tax ID # would not be allowed to open an investment account?
>> 
>> (2) Assuming the answer to #1 is yes, PC would like to create an inter-vivos trust, obtain a tax ID# for the trust, and then open an investment account in the name of the trust. Is that sketchy? Because if it is, I don’t want to draft the RLT. 
>> 
>> PC is of the belief that this is perfectly allowable, and is often done. I have no idea if this is true, and neither does anyone I’ve asked! Thoughts?
>> 
>> And thank in advance for any guidance!
>> 
>> Sarah Jael Dion
>> 
>> Dion Law PLLC					
>> 206-550-4005
>> sarah at dionlaw.com <mailto:sarah at dionlaw.com>
>> www.dionlaw.com <http://www.dionlaw.com/>
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