[WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Tue Jan 24 15:41:55 PST 2017

Agreed. If lien has been filed, you should have no trouble getting DOR to release.

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL

No, 2-year bar is absolute regardless of whether probate is filed. RCW 11.40.051(c).

Sincerely,

Eric

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grant
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Heather and all,

Let me add this wrinkle, and I should have included it originally for better accuracy, decedent died over two years ago and no probate has ever been filed.  Does that change any SOL responses to the two year rule?  Estate is also under $100k with a small piece of property family is concerned about being attached if they try to transfer it.

Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Heather deVrieze <heatherd at westseattlelaw.com<mailto:heatherd at westseattlelaw.com>> wrote:
If probate is filed, notice to DOR is required. If a claim is filed within the four months, or two years if notice to creditors is not published, the claim must be addressed. If a lien is recorded, but no claim filed the statute of limitations will bar collection. I do not see the Department actively pursuing recovery, but if they are notified of probate, they tend to file their claims, and liens, and wait for settlement of the estate and/or sale of the property.

Heather

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Thanks, Doug.  I am curious about the practical effect of this for Medicaid liens.  Are they truly liens before filing? Are they subject to 4 month or other time limitation?  Mostly I don’t see the state trying to collect them, even though they get special notices.

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From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:Doug.Lawrence at stokeslaw.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:27 AM
To: 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Hi all:

The general statute (4.16.160) says statutes of limitation do not bar the state from bringing an action if the action is brought for the benefit of the state, But the nonclaim statute of 11.40 nonetheless applies.  Here are some headnotes on this issue:

Nonclaim statutes are judicially created exception to rule of state immunity from operation of limitation periods.  Bellevue School Dist. No. 405 v. Brazier Const. Co. (1984) 103 Wash.2d 111, 691 P.2d 178<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1984155788&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>.  Limitation Of Actions [Key Number]  11(1)<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Browse/Home/KeyNumber/241k11(1)/View.html?docGuid=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>

This statute, which exempts state from operation of general statutes of limitation, does not relieve state from effect of § 11.40.010<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST11.40.010&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=LQ&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>, which bars claims against estate when creditor fails to present them within four months.  In re Guardianship of Mayou (1972) 6 Wash.App. 345, 492 P.2d 1047<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1972122618&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>.

Statute of nonclaim (see, now, § 11.40.010<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST11.40.010&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=LQ&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>) applies to all claims including claims by state;  and claim by state against estate of insane decedent for sum due for support and maintenance is barred when not timely filed.  In re Rhodes (1938) 196 Wash. 618, 83 P.2d 896<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1938105129&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>.

Statute of nonclaim applies to claim held by state, notwithstanding provision of this statute that there shall be no limitation to actions brought in name or for benefit of state.  State v. Evans (1927) 143 Wash. 449, 255 P. 1035<https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1927104950&pubNum=0000660&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>.

Cheers!

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:53 AM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Paul--There was discussion about this specifically regarding Medicaid a while back on the listserv. I think I might've even started the conversation. If I remember correctly, a couple of our regular commoners said that they had had no trouble asserting the two-year bar against DSHS for a claim on Medicaid recovery. I think the logic was that even though it was federal money going to the State that was used to pay Medicaid (and the Feds can ignore our S/L), the State process for obtaining reimbursement is subject to the state statutes and therefore is subject to the two-year bar.

However, I would suggest that you look at the applicable WACs and also I think there is a DSHS manual regarding Medicaid recovery process that is available online.

Sincerely,

Eric

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grant
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:31 PM
To: Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Is the state under the same 2 year rule for creditors if an estate never went to probate but had a piece of property?  Decedent was on medicaid and I'm concerned with the SOL for any state recapture ability.

Thanks,

Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M

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