[WSBAPT] creditor SOL

Tue Jan 24 14:51:56 PST 2017

Heather and all,

Let me add this wrinkle, and I should have included it originally for
better accuracy, decedent died over two years ago and no probate has ever
been filed.  Does that change any SOL responses to the two year rule?
Estate is also under $100k with a small piece of property family is
concerned about being attached if they try to transfer it.

Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M

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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Heather deVrieze <
heatherd at westseattlelaw.com> wrote:

> If probate is filed, notice to DOR is required. If a claim is filed within
> the four months, or two years if notice to creditors is not published, the
> claim must be addressed. If a lien is recorded, but no claim filed the
> statute of limitations will bar collection. I do not see the Department
> actively pursuing recovery, but if they are notified of probate, they tend
> to file their claims, and liens, and wait for settlement of the estate
> and/or sale of the property.
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Hawkes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:48 AM
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> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL
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> Thanks, Doug.  I am curious about the practical effect of this for
> Medicaid liens.  Are they truly liens before filing? Are they subject to 4
> month or other time limitation?  Mostly I don’t see the state trying to
> collect them, even though they get special notices.
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> *From:* Doug Lawrence [mailto:Doug.Lawrence at stokeslaw.com
> <Doug.Lawrence at stokeslaw.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:27 AM
> *To:* 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL
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> Hi all:
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> The general statute (4.16.160) says statutes of limitation do not bar the
> state from bringing an action if the action is brought for the benefit of
> the state, But the nonclaim statute of 11.40 nonetheless applies.  Here are
> some headnotes on this issue:
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> Nonclaim statutes are judicially created exception to rule of state
> immunity from operation of limitation periods. Bellevue School Dist. No.
> 405 v. Brazier Const. Co. (1984) 103 Wash.2d 111, 691 P.2d 178
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1984155788&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>.
> Limitation Of Actions [image: Key Number] 11(1)
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Browse/Home/KeyNumber/241k11(1)/View.html?docGuid=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>
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> This statute, which exempts state from operation of general statutes of
> limitation, does not relieve state from effect of § 11.40.010
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST11.40.010&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=LQ&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>,
> which bars claims against estate when creditor fails to present them within
> four months. In re Guardianship of Mayou (1972) 6 Wash.App. 345, 492 P.2d
> 1047
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1972122618&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>
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> Statute of nonclaim (see, now, § 11.40.010
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST11.40.010&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=LQ&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>)
> applies to all claims including claims by state; and claim by state
> against estate of insane decedent for sum due for support and maintenance
> is barred when not timely filed. In re Rhodes (1938) 196 Wash. 618, 83
> P.2d 896
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1938105129&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>
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> Statute of nonclaim applies to claim held by state, notwithstanding
> provision of this statute that there shall be no limitation to actions
> brought in name or for benefit of state. State v. Evans (1927) 143 Wash.
> 449, 255 P. 1035
> <https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1927104950&pubNum=0000660&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem>
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] *On Behalf Of *Eric
> Nelsen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:53 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL
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> Paul--There was discussion about this specifically regarding Medicaid a
> while back on the listserv. I think I might've even started the
> conversation. If I remember correctly, a couple of our regular commoners
> said that they had had no trouble asserting the two-year bar against DSHS
> for a claim on Medicaid recovery. I think the logic was that even though it
> was federal money going to the State that was used to pay Medicaid (and the
> Feds can ignore our S/L), the State process for obtaining reimbursement is
> subject to the state statutes and therefore is subject to the two-year bar.
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> However, I would suggest that you look at the applicable WACs and also I
> think there is a DSHS manual regarding Medicaid recovery process that is
> available online.
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> Sincerely,
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> Eric
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Grant
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 4:31 PM
> *To:* Probate & Trust Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] creditor SOL
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> Is the state under the same 2 year rule for creditors if an estate never
> went to probate but had a piece of property?  Decedent was on medicaid and
> I'm concerned with the SOL for any state recapture ability.
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> Thanks,
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> Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M
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