[WSBAPT] Abandoned out of state property in Probate?

[John White]

A PR with nonintervention powers retains the ability to obtain court approval.  Why not petition the court to abandon the property, recounting the investigation into the value, complexity and expense of ancillary proceedings and get the protection of the court order?

The petition may actually be less expensive than getting everyone to sign off.

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Jael Dion
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Abandoned out of state property in Probate?

Thanks, Eric. That was my line of thinking. As long as anyone who has an interest is fully informed, it would be silly to make a PR waste estate assets going after something no one wants.

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On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Eric Nelsen <Eric at sayrelawoffices.com<mailto:Eric at sayrelawoffices.com>> wrote:
I just ran into this issue in a probate recently, and I think the Washington PR has no duty toward out-of-state real estate assets. Our probate process can't affect out-of-state real property; it requires an ancillary probate. I think a PR can elect not to open an ancillary probate if the cost of doing so outweighs the potential benefit to the heirs. In making that decision, I think I would fully inform all the potential beneficiaries of the decision and invite them to go open the ancillary probate themselves if they wish to do so. So long as there is full notice to the parties who would potentially be prejudiced by the election to do nothing about the real property, I think it would be fine for the PR to do nothing further.

If anyone has caveats or possible problems with that route, I for one would appreciate hearing about it...

Sincerely,

Eric

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Jael Dion
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Abandoned out of state property in Probate?

Funny this has come up now- I have a client whose husband owned some undeveloped (and not very developable) real estate in Buffalo. It would cost my client more to open an ancillary probate in New York than the plots are worth. Additionally, it would be difficult and expensive to sell the lots, as they are not contiguous, and NY law requires an attorney to be involved in any closing of a sale. By the time my client paid for the probate, and for a lawyer to sell each lot separately…well, you get the idea.

Tentative plan is to allow NY State to foreclose for back taxes (small amounts, but eventually the lots will be sold). Thoughts?

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On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Paul Neumiller <pneumiller at hotmail.com<mailto:pneumiller at hotmail.com>> wrote:

A client couldn’t even donate a piece of dirt in OK to charity (no one wanted the liability of taxes and having to mow the thing).  We ended up giving the dirt to a neighbor who gladly accepted it for free.

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sprute
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Abandoned out of state property in Probate?

I have a probate that is ready to close with the exception of a patch of dirt in Texas that none of the heirs want (no ancillary probate proceedings have been initiated in Texas yet).  The value is so low that even the property tax bill is viewed as a burden to the heirs, and there has been no offers to purchase on the market.
If all the heirs disclaim the property, can it be abandoned by the Estate?  Can the PR close the estate without transferring this property out of the decedent’s name?  None of the heirs cares about what happens to the property.  I want to make sure the PR doesn’t have some other liability out there to worry about.

Has anyone run across this before?  Any advice would be appreciated!

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