[WSBAPT] Fraudulent deed transfers
Eric Nelsen
Eric at sayrelawoffices.com
Sun Apr 24 12:27:11 PDT 2016
Remedy is likely to be only damages, if (A) the grantor was the only person named on title in the first place and (B) the spouses didn't live at the property and (C) the grantees paid fair value and genuinely had no way of knowing that the grantor was unmarried. Essentially, if the grantees are bona fide purchasers without notice, then client's remedy will only be an award of damages against the spouse.
If this was a shady deal, however, and it was either in collusion with the grantees, not for fair value, and/or title wasn't clearly only name of grantor in the first place, there are probably remedies to get title to the property back. Quiet title under RCW 7.28 will be an element, but may also involve common law fraud, constructive trust, and/or Uniform Fraudulent Transfers Act, RCW 19.40.
Lots of options, in short, but dependent on other facts. Feel free to call me Monday if you want to discuss.
Sincerely,
Eric
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Does anyone know what the remedies are or where to start if your client's spouse fraudulently transferred community property by deed?
The deed states "spouse's name", "an unmarried individual" although they are still married.
The sale price was also less than the county's assessed value...but we have no clue who the grantee is. Some research suggest they might be foreign citizens and there is no way to contact them. After doing a record search on the Address listed as grantee's address, the grantee does not own that property.
Any tips would be really appreciated.
Thank you.
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:38:25 +0000
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I have a case in which the existing PR listed in a Last Will and Testament (probate already begun) wants to resign. Also, the only other listed alternate PR ants to decline.
I have two questions: /requests for help.
First, Do I need a new petition and order and oath to get a new Administrative PR appointed? If so, would anyone share pleadings with me? I'm fine with the Declination by the alternate PR.
Second, what is the proper language to have when releasing the existing PR. In other words, should there be language to "release" the existing PR from fiduciary duties, give the courts blessing or hold harmless since fiduciary duties are terminated, and of course to cancel the existing Letters Testamentary?
Stephen M. Waltar, PS
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 21:23:34 +0000
From: Eric Nelsen <Eric at sayrelawoffices.com<mailto:Eric at sayrelawoffices.com>>
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See RCW 11.28.290<http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28&full=true#11.28.290> to start--a PR who resigns must account to the successor. It can be done privately and informally, outside the court, but an initial duty of the successor PR is to receive the accounting from the resigning PR and ensure that the resigning PR has turned over all assets, etc. Often this merely amounts to turning over some papers and maybe helping change over the estate bank account.
Once the resigning PR has fully accounted to her/his successor, the court should "discharge" her/him. The initial resignation should be "accepted" by the court and the new PR appointed, but the old PR isn't "discharged" until the Court is certain that all duties up to that point have been met.
You do need a new petition, order, and oath for the new PR, just like at the beginning, with appropriate changes to reflect acceptance of resignation of old PR, and some instructions that old PR shall account to the new PR and shall be discharged, say, "upon filing by the new PR of a Receipt acknowledging receipt of a satisfactory accounting and possession and control of all estate property formerly managed by the old PR." Or some such like that. If something goes wrong, the new PR can always petition the court for other relief.
New PR can get nonintervention powers also if available--see RCW 11.28.280<http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28&full=true#11.28.280>.
Sincerely,
Eric
Eric C. Nelsen
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Steve Waltar
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Releasing PR and appointing new one - proper forms and language
I have a case in which the existing PR listed in a Last Will and Testament (probate already begun) wants to resign. Also, the only other listed alternate PR ants to decline.
I have two questions: /requests for help.
First, Do I need a new petition and order and oath to get a new Administrative PR appointed? If so, would anyone share pleadings with me? I'm fine with the Declination by the alternate PR.
Second, what is the proper language to have when releasing the existing PR. In other words, should there be language to "release" the existing PR from fiduciary duties, give the courts blessing or hold harmless since fiduciary duties are terminated, and of course to cancel the existing Letters Testamentary?
Stephen M. Waltar, PS
Estate Planning Law
1750 - 112th Avenue NE, Suite C245
Bellevue, WA 98004
(425) 455-6788
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:37:06 -0700
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Also, a new PR that applies for appointment and who is not named in a will
usually has to post a bond, even if the will waived bond for those named.
You may get all interested parties to sign off on a waiver of bond for your
new PR, usually all the heirs is sufficient, but commissioner may consider
protection for creditors too.
The new letters issued will be "Letters of Administration with Will Annexed"
Tara M. Roberts
Puget Sound Law pllc
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[mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Releasing PR and appointing new one - proper forms and
language
See RCW 11.28.290
<http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28&full=true#11.28.290> to
start--a PR who resigns must account to the successor. It can be done
privately and informally, outside the court, but an initial duty of the
successor PR is to receive the accounting from the resigning PR and ensure
that the resigning PR has turned over all assets, etc. Often this merely
amounts to turning over some papers and maybe helping change over the estate
bank account.
Once the resigning PR has fully accounted to her/his successor, the court
should "discharge" her/him. The initial resignation should be "accepted" by
the court and the new PR appointed, but the old PR isn't "discharged" until
the Court is certain that all duties up to that point have been met.
You do need a new petition, order, and oath for the new PR, just like at the
beginning, with appropriate changes to reflect acceptance of resignation of
old PR, and some instructions that old PR shall account to the new PR and
shall be discharged, say, "upon filing by the new PR of a Receipt
acknowledging receipt of a satisfactory accounting and possession and
control of all estate property formerly managed by the old PR." Or some such
like that. If something goes wrong, the new PR can always petition the court
for other relief.
New PR can get nonintervention powers also if available--see RCW 11.28.280
<http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28&full=true#11.28.280> .
Sincerely,
Eric
Eric C. Nelsen
SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC
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Seattle WA 98101-2837
phone 206-625-0092
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[mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Steve Waltar
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 1:38 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: [WSBAPT] Releasing PR and appointing new one - proper forms and
language
I have a case in which the existing PR listed in a Last Will and Testament
(probate already begun) wants to resign. Also, the only other listed
alternate PR ants to decline.
I have two questions: /requests for help.
First, Do I need a new petition and order and oath to get a new
Administrative PR appointed? If so, would anyone share pleadings with me?
I'm fine with the Declination by the alternate PR.
Second, what is the proper language to have when releasing the existing PR.
In other words, should there be language to "release" the existing PR from
fiduciary duties, give the courts blessing or hold harmless since fiduciary
duties are terminated, and of course to cancel the existing Letters
Testamentary?
Stephen M. Waltar, PS
Estate Planning Law
1750 - 112th Avenue NE, Suite C245
Bellevue, WA 98004
(425) 455-6788
<http://www.waltar.com/> www.waltar.com<http://www.waltar.com>
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:57:10 +0000
From: Douglas Bratt <djbratt at mbavancouverlaw.com<mailto:djbratt at mbavancouverlaw.com>>
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Hello:
Eric Nelson's reply is, as it most often is, thorough and thoughtful.
One pitfall in the present situation is that the two persons mentioned in the Will to serve were probably authorized to serve "without bond," per the provisions of the Will.
The person who is to serve as the Substitute PR has not been similarly trusted by the Testator/Testatrix, by name, in the Will.
So, it very well might be that the new PR will be required to obtain and file a Personal Representative's Bond.
My three (3) cents (higher rates on Fridays).
Regards,
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 2:24 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Releasing PR and appointing new one - proper forms and language
See RCW 11.28.290<http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28&full=true#11.28.290> to start--a PR who resigns must account to the successor. It can be done privately and informally, outside the court, but an initial duty of the successor PR is to receive the accounting from the resigning PR and ensure that the resigning PR has turned over all assets, etc. Often this merely amounts to turning over some papers and maybe helping change over the estate bank account.
Once the resigning PR has fully accounted to her/his successor, the court should "discharge" her/him. The initial resignation should be "accepted" by the court and the new PR appointed, but the old PR isn't "discharged" until the Court is certain that all duties up to that point have been met.
You do need a new petition, order, and oath for the new PR, just like at the beginning, with appropriate changes to reflect acceptance of resignation of old PR, and some instructions that old PR shall account to the new PR and shall be discharged, say, "upon filing by the new PR of a Receipt acknowledging receipt of a satisfactory accounting and possession and control of all estate property formerly managed by the old PR." Or some such like that. If something goes wrong, the new PR can always petition the court for other relief.
New PR can get nonintervention powers also if available--see RCW 11.28.280<http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28&full=true#11.28.280>.
Sincerely,
Eric
Eric C. Nelsen
SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC
1320 University St
Seattle WA 98101-2837
phone 206-625-0092
fax 206-625-9040
From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com><mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Steve Waltar
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 1:38 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: [WSBAPT] Releasing PR and appointing new one - proper forms and language
I have a case in which the existing PR listed in a Last Will and Testament (probate already begun) wants to resign. Also, the only other listed alternate PR ants to decline.
I have two questions: /requests for help.
First, Do I need a new petition and order and oath to get a new Administrative PR appointed? If so, would anyone share pleadings with me? I'm fine with the Declination by the alternate PR.
Second, what is the proper language to have when releasing the existing PR. In other words, should there be language to "release" the existing PR from fiduciary duties, give the courts blessing or hold harmless since fiduciary duties are terminated, and of course to cancel the existing Letters Testamentary?
Stephen M. Waltar, PS
Estate Planning Law
1750 - 112th Avenue NE, Suite C245
Bellevue, WA 98004
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