[WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

Mon Jan 5 12:17:50 PST 2015

Then why don’t other counties do it?  I’m really just pointing out the seeming randomness of some of these practices.  It might be an excellent idea for commissioners to check background and death certificates, but they don’t.

Lisa E. Schuchman
206-325-2801
www.lisaschuchman.com<http://www.lisaschuchman.com/>

Education is what you get when you read the fine print.  Experience is what you get when you don’t. -Pete Seeger

NOTE: I do not use encrypted email.  Messages sent to or from my office via email are not secure and may not be protected by attorney-client privilege. This email address is not monitored at all times.  If your matter is urgent, please phone my office during regular business hours.

Any tax advice included in this document and its attachments was not intended or written to be used, and it cannot be used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code.
P  Please consider the trees before printing this document

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Mark Higgins
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 12:07 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

those with felony convictions cannot be PRs.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Lisa Schuchman <lisa at lisaschuchman.com<mailto:lisa at lisaschuchman.com>> wrote:
In Pierce County the commissioner does a criminal background check on petitioning PRs from the bench.  Why?

Lisa E. Schuchman
206-325-2801<tel:206-325-2801>
www.lisaschuchman.com<http://www.lisaschuchman.com/>

Education is what you get when you read the fine print.  Experience is what you get when you don’t. -Pete Seeger

NOTE: I do not use encrypted email.  Messages sent to or from my office via email are not secure and may not be protected by attorney-client privilege. This email address is not monitored at all times.  If your matter is urgent, please phone my office during regular business hours.

Any tax advice included in this document and its attachments was not intended or written to be used, and it cannot be used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code.
P  Please consider the trees before printing this document

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] On Behalf Of Peterson, Eileen
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 11:40 AM
To: Joyce at Schwensenlaw.com<mailto:Joyce at Schwensenlaw.com>; WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv

Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

I’m very unclear why any of this happening.  Presumably, the Petition (sworn under oath) indicates the date of death.   I don’t think that it is required, but for some reason the Court is exercising its discretion – but why?

Eileen S. Peterson
Attorney at Law
T 253 620 6419<tel:253%20620%206419>
F 253 620 6565<tel:253%20620%206565>
Click here to follow Lars in ourTrusts & Estates Blog<http://www.gthestateplanning.com/>

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Joyce S. Schwensen
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:32 AM
To: 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

Yup. That is what I’ve been asked to do by the commissioner in King County on several occasions.

Joyce

Law Offices of Joyce S. Schwensen
6814 Greenwood Ave. N.
Seattle, WA  98103
Tel: (206) 367-1065<tel:%28206%29%C2%A0367-1065>
Fax: (206) 781-7014<mailto:781-7014Joyce at Schwensenlaw.com>
Joyce at Schwensenlaw.com<mailto:Joyce at Schwensenlaw.com>
www.SchwensenLaw.com<http://www.schwensenlaw.com/>

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
This communication (including any attachments) is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or believe that you may have received this communication in error, please delete this communication from your computer and do not retransmit, copy, print or otherwise disseminate this communication.
ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP:
This e-mail does not in any way intend to provide legal advice to be relied upon by any recipient and does not create any duty or obligation for legal representation on behalf of the sender or the Law Offices of Joyce S. Schwensen on behalf of the recipient of this e-mail without a written engagement agreement.

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Paul Neumiller
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:58 AM
To: cole-gilday at stanwoodlaw.net<mailto:cole-gilday at stanwoodlaw.net>; 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

I am curious.  How does one “present” something to the court but not “file” it?  Hold it up for the judge and say “looky here?”  Hand it up to the judge and then get it back?

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com]<mailto:[mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com]> On Behalf Of Robert R. Cole
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 10:27 AM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

Snohomish County Commissioners want the death certificated presented (but not filed).
Very Truly Yours,
Robert R. Cole
Law Office of Cole & Gilday, P.C.

PLEASE NOTE THAT OUR OFFICE WILL BE CLOSED FROM DECEMBER 20, 2014 THROUGH JANUARY 4, 2015.

10101 - 270th St. NW
P.O. Box 249
Stanwood, WA 98292
(360) 629-2900<tel:%28360%29%20629-2900> (Telephone)
(360) 629-0220<tel:%28360%29%20629-0220> (Fax)

This message contains confidential and privileged information that is intended only for the named recipient(s).  Unless you are the named recipient or authorized agent thereof, you are prohibited from reading, copying, distributing or otherwise disseminating such information.  If you receive this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately.

On 1/5/2015 9:06 AM, Thomas M. Culbertson wrote:
Looks like King County may be the only one where the question is even asked.  Don’t forget you can file in any county, generally by mail, so if you anticipate problems locally, file somewhere else.

THOMAS M. CULBERTSON  I  Lukins & Annis, PS
717 W. Sprague Ave, Suite 1600, Spokane, WA 99201
(509) 455-9555<tel:%28509%29%20455-9555> I  fax (509) 363-2500<tel:%28509%29%20363-2500>  I  tculbertson at lukins.com<mailto:tculbertson at lukins.com>

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Eden Rubenstein Toner
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 1:27 PM
To: 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

I was asked for it the last time I opened a probate in King County.  I didn’t have it, and was able to open the probate anyway, but in the future I’m going to try to have it before going to court.

Eden Rubenstein Toner
Attorney at Law
1600-B SW Dash Point Road, #163
Federal Way, WA 98023
phone 206-953-4485<tel:206-953-4485>
attorneytoner at earthlink.net<mailto:attorneytoner at earthlink.net>

From: Andrew Hay [mailto:andrewhay at washingtonlaw.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:31 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
Subject: [WSBAPT] Starting probate without death certificate

Hello Listmates

I have a case where a lady is in her last days and has a closing pending.  If she does not survive to closing I may have to open a probate before the death certificate is available.  Has anyone had similar problem?

Andrew Hay
Hay & Swann PLLC
201 South 34th Street
Tacoma, WA  98418
Phone: (253) 272-2400<tel:%28253%29%20272-2400>
Fax:     (253) 267-8947<tel:%28253%29%20267-8947>
www.washingtonlaw.net<http://www.washingtonlaw.net/>

THIS IS A CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION AND IS INTENDED FOR THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT ONLY.  IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY AND DESTROY ALL COPIES

--

This message has been scanned for viruses

and dangerous content by Lukins & Annis, P.S.

NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or

privileged material, and is intended solely

for use by the above referenced recipient. Any

review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri-

bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited.

If you are not the recipient, and believe that

you have received this in error, please notify

the sender and delete the copy you received.

Thank You!

_______________________________________________

WSBAPT mailing list

WSBAPT at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:WSBAPT at lists.wsbarppt.com>

http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt

_______________________________________________
WSBAPT mailing list
WSBAPT at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:WSBAPT at lists.wsbarppt.com>
http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt

--
Mark T. Higgins
Mark T. Higgins, P.C.
P.O. Box 57
Darrington, WA 98241
206-491-2420
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbapt/attachments/20150105/f63e4f62/attachment.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image001.png
Type: image/png
Size: 164 bytes
Desc: image001.png
URL: <http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbapt/attachments/20150105/f63e4f62/image001.png>