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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:38:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Probate with Litigation
From: Paul Grant <paulnnepa at gmail.com>
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Thank you everyone.  My instinct was to keep it open and save any future
hassles of re-opening.  I was more concerned with the PR being dismissed
and thereby influencing the standing - thanks Eric for your (always)
detailed response.

Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M

Planning with Purpose, Inc
Lynnwood, WA 98036
425-939-9948
www.planningwithpurposeinc.com

Estate Planning. Business Planning. Wealth Succession.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Eric Nelsen
<Eric at sayrelawoffices.com>wrote:

>  King County I take it? The administrative closure has no effect on the
> PR's authority to proceed. Attached is the general order from 2007. So
far
> as I know it hasn't been superseded--though I think it's odd you
received
> notice of the admin closure, because the General Order says the clerk
> doesn't need to give notice.
>
>
>
> I think as long as the Estate is involved in litigation, the PR should
> retain authority; otherwise there is no "party" in the action
representing
> the Estate.
>
>
>
> Even after administrative closure, technically the PR still needs to
> eventually follow through with formal closure under RCW 11.76 or RCW
11.68,
> once the PR no longer needs authority. When it's time to do that, no
need
> to do anything special like "administratively re-open" the case; just
> closing docs as usual and the clerks will retrieve their file from Limbo
or
> wherever it is they put it.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> Eric C. Nelsen
>
> SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC
>
> 1320 University St
>
> Seattle WA  98101-2837
>
> phone 206-625-0092
>
> fax 206-625-9040
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:
> wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Grant
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:44 AM
> *To:* WSBA RPPT Probate & Trust Discussion Forum
> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] Probate with Litigation
>
>
>
> Listmates,
>
>
> I opened a probate to pursue a LTC policy litigation case (Federal
court)
> - client started it then died.  We have Ltrs Tst etc.  Glad to say we
won
> the case but Def is appealing ... quick plug to say if you have a LTC
> policy not paying out we may have the successful formula.
>
>  Question:  I received an automatic notice from probate that nothing has
> been done with the case for 12 months so they are closing it.  With the
> case being appealed should I submit a request to keep the probate open
(we
> do not anticipate any of the awards to be in the name of the estate) or
> should I allow it to auto close.  Is there a legal necessity to have the
PR
> in place when we are still in the process of the case?  The appeal is
just
> starting so we anticipate a 18+ month process.
>
> Your thoughts are very appreciated!
>
>
> Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M
>
> Planning with Purpose, Inc
> Lynnwood, WA 98036
> 425-939-9948
> www.planningwithpurposeinc.com
>
> Estate Planning. Business Planning. Wealth Succession.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you everyone.=A0 My instinct was to keep it open
and=
 save any future hassles of re-opening.=A0 I was more concerned with the
PR=
 being dismissed and thereby influencing the standing - thanks Eric for
you=
r (always) detailed response.<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><br>Paul H. Grant
-=
 JD, LL.M<br><br>Planning with Purpose, Inc<br>Lynnwood, WA
98036<br>425-93=
9-9948<br><a href=3D"http://www.planningwithpurposeinc.com"
target=3D"_blan=
k">www.planningwithpurposeinc.com</a><br>
<br>Estate Planning. Business Planning. Wealth Succession.<br><div
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Eric
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elsen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Eric at sayrelawoffices.com"
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get=3D"_blank">Eric at sayrelawoffices.com</a>></span>
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<div>
King County I take it?
Th=
e administrative closure has no effect on the PR's authority to
proceed=
. Attached is the general order from 2007. So far as I know
 it hasn't been superseded--though I think it's odd you received
no=
tice of the admin closure, because the General Order says the clerk
doesn&#=
39;t need to give notice.
=A0
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I think as long as the
Es=
tate is involved in litigation, the PR should retain authority; otherwise
t=
here is no "party" in the action representing the
Estate.<=
u>

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Even after
administrative=
 closure, technically the PR still needs to eventually follow through with
=
formal closure under RCW 11.76 or RCW 11.68, once the PR
 no longer needs authority. When it's time to do that, no need to do
an=
ything special like "administratively re-open" the case; just
clo=
sing docs as usual and the clerks will retrieve their file from Limbo or
wh=
erever it is they put it.

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href=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA RPPT Probate & Trust Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Probate with Litigation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p>
</div><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Listmates,</p><div><d=
iv class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
I opened a probate to pursue a LTC policy litigation case (Federal court)
-=
 client started it then died.=A0 We have Ltrs Tst etc.=A0 Glad to say we
wo=
n the case but Def is appealing ... quick plug to say if you have a LTC
pol=
icy not paying out we may have the successful
 formula.<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Question:=A0 I received an automatic notice from
pro=
bate that nothing has been done with the case for 12 months so they are
clo=
sing it.=A0 With the case being appealed should I submit a request to keep
=
the probate open (we do not anticipate
 any of the awards to be in the name of the estate) or should I allow it
to=
 auto close.=A0 Is there a legal necessity to have the PR in place when we
=
are still in the process of the case?=A0 The appeal is just starting so we
=
anticipate a 18+ month process.<br>

<br>
Your thoughts are very appreciated!<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M<br>
<br>
Planning with Purpose, Inc<br>
Lynnwood, WA 98036<br>
<a href=3D"tel:425-939-9948" value=3D"+14259399948"
target=3D"_blank">425-9=
39-9948</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.planningwithpurposeinc.com"
target=3D"_blank">www.pla=
nningwithpurposeinc.com</a><br>
<br>
Estate Planning. Business Planning. Wealth Succession.<u></u><u></u></p>
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From: "Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS" <neli at olympiclegal.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT]
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:59:08 -0800
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Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90s
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
in
the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
in
her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
T's
parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
court
decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
and
an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
There
is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pondering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive. Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a
short cut from court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
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inherited from her parents in the 1960s. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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is a deed transferring the property to T’s parents, but there is =
no deed transferring the property to T, just the court decree. =
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From: Craig Liebler <cliebler at licbs.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:12:09 +0000
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By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon
=
death subject to administration.  In old days that's all it took via a
prob=
ate or adjudication.  Although my current practice is to do an estate quit
=
claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of
compl=
etion cases, I do not believe a "Deed" out of probate is required.  Most
Ti=
tle Companies will check the probate to verify, but when oK they insure.
Craig L.

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.c=
om] On Behalf Of Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but
N=
O Deed

Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90=
s (T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
=
in the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
i=
n her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
=
T's parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
=
court decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
an=
d an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
Ther=
e is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pond=
ering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive.=
 Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a short cut
fro=
m court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">By statute ( I think
v=
ery old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon death subject to
admin=
istration.  In old days that’s all it took via a probate or
adju=
dication.  Although my current practice is to do
 an estate quit claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention /
decl=
aration of completion cases, I do not believe a “Deed” out of
p=
robate is required.  Most Title Companies will check the probate to
ve=
rify, but when oK they insure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Craig
L.<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
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wsbapt-o=
wner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of
Distributio=
n but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">I am handling the probate of the
estate=
 of a lady who passed away in her 90s (T). At issue is a piece of farm
land=
 which T inherited from her parents in the 1960s.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">The document evidencing her ownership
i=
s a “Decree of Distribution” filed in her parents’ joint
=
probate. There is a deed transferring the property to T’s parents,
bu=
t there
 is no deed transferring the property to T, just the court decree.
<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">All county records list T as the
owner,=
 including water rights documents and an open space taxation agreement.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">In her will, T leaves the property to
h=
er son. T’s grandson is the PR. There is no argument among T’s
=
beneficiaries as to the distribution.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">What would be the most efficient way
to=
 do pass title to T’s son? I am pondering a couple of options, but
th=
ey all appear cumbersome and/or expensive. Reopen old probate?
 Quiet title action? Shouldn’t there be a short cut from court
decree=
 to deed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">Thank you in advance for any pointers.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: Kate Szurek <kate at skagitlaw.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:11:57 +0000
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Nelle:  Check with Bill Ronhaar at Land Title.  I'm pretty certain he will
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tell you he'll honor the decree of distribution.

Kate

[SkagitLaw_Signature (2)]
Kate Szurek, J.D., LL.M.
P.O. Box 336 / 227 Freeway Drive, Suite B
Mount Vernon, WA  98273
360.336.1000
360.336.6690 (fax)
kate at skagitlaw.com<mailto:kate at skagitlaw.com>
http://www.skagitlaw.com<http://www.skagitlaw.com/>

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.c=
om] On Behalf Of Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but
N=
O Deed

Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90=
s (T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
=
in the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
i=
n her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
=
T's parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
=
court decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
an=
d an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
Ther=
e is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pond=
ering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive.=
 Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a short cut
fro=
m court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
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rdana","sans-serif"">I am handling the probate of the
estate=
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land=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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rdana","sans-serif"">The document evidencing her ownership
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s a “Decree of Distribution” filed in her parents’ joint
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probate. There is a deed transferring the property to T’s parents,
bu=
t there
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rdana","sans-serif"">All county records list T as the
owner,=
 including water rights documents and an open space taxation agreement.
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rdana","sans-serif"">In her will, T leaves the property to
h=
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beneficiaries as to the distribution.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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rdana","sans-serif"">What would be the most efficient way
to=
 do pass title to T’s son? I am pondering a couple of options, but
th=
ey all appear cumbersome and/or expensive. Reopen old probate?
 Quiet title action? Shouldn’t there be a short cut from court
decree=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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From: "Mike Winslow" <mike at winslegal.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
but NO Deed
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:35:10 -0800
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RCW 11.04.250
When real estate vests - Rights of heirs.

When a person dies seized of lands, tenements or hereditaments, or any
right
thereto or entitled to any interest therein in fee or for the life of
another, his or her title shall vest immediately in his or her heirs or
devisees, subject to his or her debts, family allowance, expenses of
administration, and any other charges for which such real estate is liable
under existing laws. No administration of the estate of such decedent, and
no decree of distribution or other finding or order of any court shall be
necessary in any case to vest such title in the heirs or devisees, but the
same shall vest in the heirs or devisees instantly upon the death of such
decedent: PROVIDED, That no person shall be deemed a devisee until the
will
has been probated. The title and right to possession of such lands,
tenements, or hereditaments so vested in such heirs or devisees, together
with the rents, issues, and profits thereof, shall be good and valid
against
all persons claiming adversely to the claims of any such heirs, or
devisees,
excepting only the personal representative when appointed, and persons
lawfully claiming under such personal representative; and any one or more
of
such heirs or devisees, or their grantees, jointly or severally, may sue
for
and recover their respective shares or interests in any such lands,
tenements, or hereditaments and the rents, issues, and profits thereof,
whether letters testamentary or of administration be granted or not, from
any person except the personal representative and those lawfully claiming
under such personal representative.
A deed from the PR to the Beneficiary should be sufficient. A title policy
could be obtained, but is not mandatory. Talk to title company officer in
county where property is located, as Kate suggested.

Michael A. Winslow
1204 Cleveland Ave.
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
Ph. 360-336-3321
Em. Mike at winslegal.com

This message is from an attorney, so it's confidential. If you are not the
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From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Craig Liebler
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
but NO Deed

By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon
death subject to administration.  In old days that's all it took via a
probate or adjudication.  Although my current practice is to do an estate
quit claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of
completion cases, I do not believe a "Deed" out of probate is required.
Most Title Companies will check the probate to verify, but when oK they
insure.
Craig L.

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Neli Espe, Olympic
Legal Services, PS
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but
NO
Deed

Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90s
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
in
the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
in
her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
T's
parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
court
decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
and
an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
There
is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pondering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive. Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a
short cut from court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
neli at olympiclegal.com
www.olympiclegal.com

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table =
class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 =
width=3D"100%" =
style=3D'width:100.0%;mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-yfti-tbllook:1184;mso-paddi=
ng-alt:0in 3.75pt 0in 0in'><tr =
style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'><td =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0in 3.75pt 0in 0in'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-outline-level:2'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>RCW =
11.04.250<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;mso-outline-level:1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-font-kerning:18.0pt'>Wh=
en real estate vests — Rights of =
heirs.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'padding:0in 3.75pt 0in 0in'></td></tr></table><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'>When a person dies seized of lands, tenements or =
hereditaments, or any right thereto or entitled to any interest therein =
in fee or for the life of another, his or her title shall vest =
immediately in his or her heirs or devisees, subject to his or her =
debts, family allowance, expenses of administration, and any other =
charges for which such real estate is liable under existing laws. No =
administration of the estate of such decedent, and no decree of =
distribution or other finding or order of any court shall be necessary =
in any case to vest such title in the heirs or devisees, but the same =
shall vest in the heirs or devisees instantly upon the death of such =
decedent: PROVIDED, That no person shall be deemed a devisee until the =
will has been probated. The title and right to possession of such lands, =
tenements, or hereditaments so vested in such heirs or devisees, =
together with the rents, issues, and profits thereof, shall be good and =
valid against all persons claiming adversely to the claims of any such =
heirs, or devisees, excepting only the personal representative when =
appointed, and persons lawfully claiming under such personal =
representative; and any one or more of such heirs or devisees, or their =
grantees, jointly or severally, may sue for and recover their respective =
shares or interests in any such lands, tenements, or hereditaments and =
the rents, issues, and profits thereof, whether letters testamentary or =
of administration be granted or not, from any person except the personal =
representative and those lawfully claiming under such personal =
representative.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>A deed from the PR to =
the Beneficiary should be sufficient. A title policy could be obtained, =
but is not mandatory. Talk to title company officer in county where =
property is located, as Kate suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Michael A. =
Winslow<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>1204 Cleveland =
Ave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Mount Vernon, WA =
98273<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Ph. =
360-336-3321<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Em. =
Mike at winslegal.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>This message is from an attorney, =
so it’s confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, =
it’s too late to stop reading this message, but you may not use it =
for any improper purpose. Huge Disclaimer available upon =
request.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman"'> wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig =
Liebler<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but NO =
Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in =
Title 11)) Title vests upon death subject to administration.  In =
old days that’s all it took via a probate or adjudication.  =
Although my current practice is to do an estate quit claim deed of =
distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of completion =
cases, I do not believe a “Deed” out of probate is =
required.  Most Title Companies will check the probate to verify, =
but when oK they insure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Craig L.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-outline-level:1'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists=
.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neli Espe, Olympic Legal =
Services, PS<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of =
Distribution but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Dear =
List-mates,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I am =
handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her 90s =
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents =
in the 1960s. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The =
document evidencing her ownership is a “Decree of =
Distribution” filed in her parents’ joint probate. There is =
a deed transferring the property to T’s parents, but there is no =
deed transferring the property to T, just the court decree. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>All county =
records list T as the owner, including water rights documents and an =
open space taxation agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In her =
will, T leaves the property to her son. T’s grandson is the PR. =
There is no argument among T’s beneficiaries as to the =
distribution. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>What would =
be the most efficient way to do pass title to T’s son? I am =
pondering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or =
expensive. Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn’t there =
be a short cut from court decree to deed?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thank you =
in advance for any pointers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Neli =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Neli T. =
Espe, J.D.<br></span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br></span>=
<span =
style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Olympic =
Legal Services, P.S.<br>T: (360) 630-3635<br>F: (888) 493-0120<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:neli at olympiclegal.com">neli at olympiclegal.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.olympiclegal.com">www.olympiclegal.com</a><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
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From: Craig Liebler <cliebler at licbs.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:51:18 +0000
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Thanks for the cite...Craig L.

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.c=
om] On Behalf Of Mike Winslow
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:35 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
b=
ut NO Deed

RCW 11.04.250
When real estate vests - Rights of heirs.

When a person dies seized of lands, tenements or hereditaments, or any
righ=
t thereto or entitled to any interest therein in fee or for the life of
ano=
ther, his or her title shall vest immediately in his or her heirs or
devise=
es, subject to his or her debts, family allowance, expenses of
administrati=
on, and any other charges for which such real estate is liable under
existi=
ng laws. No administration of the estate of such decedent, and no decree
of=
 distribution or other finding or order of any court shall be necessary in
=
any case to vest such title in the heirs or devisees, but the same shall
ve=
st in the heirs or devisees instantly upon the death of such decedent:
PROV=
IDED, That no person shall be deemed a devisee until the will has been
prob=
ated. The title and right to possession of such lands, tenements, or
heredi=
taments so vested in such heirs or devisees, together with the rents,
issue=
s, and profits thereof, shall be good and valid against all persons
claimin=
g adversely to the claims of any such heirs, or devisees, excepting only
th=
e personal representative when appointed, and persons lawfully claiming
und=
er such personal representative; and any one or more of such heirs or
devis=
ees, or their grantees, jointly or severally, may sue for and recover
their=
 respective shares or interests in any such lands, tenements, or
hereditame=
nts and the rents, issues, and profits thereof, whether letters
testamentar=
y or of administration be granted or not, from any person except the
person=
al representative and those lawfully claiming under such personal
represent=
ative.
A deed from the PR to the Beneficiary should be sufficient. A title policy
=
could be obtained, but is not mandatory. Talk to title company officer in
c=
ounty where property is located, as Kate suggested.

Michael A. Winslow
1204 Cleveland Ave.
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
Ph. 360-336-3321
Em. Mike at winslegal.com<mailto:Mike at winslegal.com>

This message is from an attorney, so it's confidential. If you are not the
=
intended recipient, it's too late to stop reading this message, but you
may=
 not use it for any improper purpose. Huge Disclaimer available upon
reques=
t.

From:
wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.co=
m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Craig Liebler
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
b=
ut NO Deed

By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon
=
death subject to administration.  In old days that's all it took via a
prob=
ate or adjudication.  Although my current practice is to do an estate quit
=
claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of
compl=
etion cases, I do not believe a "Deed" out of probate is required.  Most
Ti=
tle Companies will check the probate to verify, but when oK they insure.
Craig L.

From:
wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.co=
m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Neli Espe,
Olympic=
 Legal Services, PS
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but
N=
O Deed

Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90=
s (T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
=
in the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
i=
n her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
=
T's parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
=
court decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
an=
d an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
Ther=
e is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pond=
ering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive.=
 Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a short cut
fro=
m court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks for the
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230;Craig L.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
wsbapt-o=
wner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Winslow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of
Distrib=
ution but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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11.04.250<o:p></o:p=
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style=3D"font-si=
ze:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial
Black","sans-serif";color:=
black">When real estate vests — Rights of
heirs.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span
style=3D"font-family:"Arial","sans-serif&quot=
;">When a person dies seized of lands, tenements or hereditaments, or any
r=
ight thereto or entitled to any interest therein in fee or
 for the life of another, his or her title shall vest immediately in his
or=
 her heirs or devisees, subject to his or her debts, family allowance,
expe=
nses of administration, and any other charges for which such real estate
is=
 liable under existing laws. No
 administration of the estate of such decedent, and no decree of
distributi=
on or other finding or order of any court shall be necessary in any case
to=
 vest such title in the heirs or devisees, but the same shall vest in the
h=
eirs or devisees instantly upon
 the death of such decedent: PROVIDED, That no person shall be deemed a
dev=
isee until the will has been probated. The title and right to possession
of=
 such lands, tenements, or hereditaments so vested in such heirs or
devisee=
s, together with the rents, issues,
 and profits thereof, shall be good and valid against all persons claiming
=
adversely to the claims of any such heirs, or devisees, excepting only the
=
personal representative when appointed, and persons lawfully claiming
under=
 such personal representative; and
 any one or more of such heirs or devisees, or their grantees, jointly or
s=
everally, may sue for and recover their respective shares or interests in
a=
ny such lands, tenements, or hereditaments and the rents, issues, and
profi=
ts thereof, whether letters testamentary
 or of administration be granted or not, from any person except the
persona=
l representative and those lawfully claiming under such personal
representa=
tive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A deed from the PR to
=
the Beneficiary should be sufficient. A title policy could be obtained,
but=
 is not mandatory. Talk to title company officer in county where property
i=
s located, as Kate suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Michael A.
Winslow<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">1204 Cleveland
Ave.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mount Vernon, WA
98273=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ph.
360-336-3321<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Em. <a
href=3D"mailto:=
Mike at winslegal.com">
Mike at winslegal.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">This message is from
a=
n attorney, so it’s confidential. If you are not the intended
recipie=
nt, it’s too late to stop reading this message, but you may not use
i=
t for any improper purpose. Huge Disclaimer available
 upon request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbar=
ppt.com</a> [<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsba=
pt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Liebler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of
Distrib=
ution but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">By statute ( I think
v=
ery old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon death subject to
admin=
istration.  In old days that’s all it took via a probate or
adju=
dication.  Although my current practice is to do
 an estate quit claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention /
decl=
aration of completion cases, I do not believe a “Deed” out of
p=
robate is required.  Most Title Companies will check the probate to
ve=
rify, but when oK they insure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Craig
L.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbar=
ppt.com</a> [<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsba=
pt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of
Distributio=
n but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">Dear List-mates,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">I am handling the probate of the
estate=
 of a lady who passed away in her 90s (T). At issue is a piece of farm
land=
 which T inherited from her parents in the 1960s.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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i=
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=
probate. There is a deed transferring the property to T’s parents,
bu=
t there
 is no deed transferring the property to T, just the court decree.
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to=
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th=
ey all appear cumbersome and/or expensive. Reopen old probate?
 Quiet title action? Shouldn’t there be a short cut from court
decree=
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From: Jacob Menashe <jacob at hickmanmenashe.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT]
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:54:15 +0000
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=
a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John and Sally,
hus=
band and wife." Is the house community property or quasi-community
property=
?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________
Jacob H. Menashe
Hickman Menashe, PS
4211 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Suite 202
Lynnwood, WA 98036
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From: "Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS" <neli at olympiclegal.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
but NO Deed
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:54:30 -0800
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Thank you so much for your input! I appreciate your help. Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Mike Winslow
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:35 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
but NO Deed

RCW 11.04.250
When real estate vests - Rights of heirs.

When a person dies seized of lands, tenements or hereditaments, or any
right
thereto or entitled to any interest therein in fee or for the life of
another, his or her title shall vest immediately in his or her heirs or
devisees, subject to his or her debts, family allowance, expenses of
administration, and any other charges for which such real estate is liable
under existing laws. No administration of the estate of such decedent, and
no decree of distribution or other finding or order of any court shall be
necessary in any case to vest such title in the heirs or devisees, but the
same shall vest in the heirs or devisees instantly upon the death of such
decedent: PROVIDED, That no person shall be deemed a devisee until the
will
has been probated. The title and right to possession of such lands,
tenements, or hereditaments so vested in such heirs or devisees, together
with the rents, issues, and profits thereof, shall be good and valid
against
all persons claiming adversely to the claims of any such heirs, or
devisees,
excepting only the personal representative when appointed, and persons
lawfully claiming under such personal representative; and any one or more
of
such heirs or devisees, or their grantees, jointly or severally, may sue
for
and recover their respective shares or interests in any such lands,
tenements, or hereditaments and the rents, issues, and profits thereof,
whether letters testamentary or of administration be granted or not, from
any person except the personal representative and those lawfully claiming
under such personal representative.
A deed from the PR to the Beneficiary should be sufficient. A title policy
could be obtained, but is not mandatory. Talk to title company officer in
county where property is located, as Kate suggested.

Michael A. Winslow
1204 Cleveland Ave.
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
Ph. 360-336-3321
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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Craig Liebler
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
but NO Deed

By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon
death subject to administration.  In old days that's all it took via a
probate or adjudication.  Although my current practice is to do an estate
quit claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of
completion cases, I do not believe a "Deed" out of probate is required.
Most Title Companies will check the probate to verify, but when oK they
insure.
Craig L.

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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Neli Espe, Olympic
Legal Services, PS
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but
NO
Deed

Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90s
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
in
the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
in
her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
T's
parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
court
decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
and
an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
There
is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pondering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive. Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a
short cut from court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
neli at olympiclegal.com
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you so much for your input! I appreciate your help. =
Neli<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman"'> wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike =
Winslow<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:35 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but NO =
Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table =
class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 =
width=3D"100%" =
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ng-alt:0in 3.75pt 0in 0in'><tr =
style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'><td =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:0in 3.75pt 0in 0in'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-outline-level:2'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>RCW =
11.04.250<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:7.5pt;mso-outline-level:1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-font-kerning:18.0pt'>Wh=
en real estate vests — Rights of =
heirs.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'padding:0in 3.75pt 0in 0in'></td></tr></table><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'>When a person dies seized of lands, tenements or =
hereditaments, or any right thereto or entitled to any interest therein =
in fee or for the life of another, his or her title shall vest =
immediately in his or her heirs or devisees, subject to his or her =
debts, family allowance, expenses of administration, and any other =
charges for which such real estate is liable under existing laws. No =
administration of the estate of such decedent, and no decree of =
distribution or other finding or order of any court shall be necessary =
in any case to vest such title in the heirs or devisees, but the same =
shall vest in the heirs or devisees instantly upon the death of such =
decedent: PROVIDED, That no person shall be deemed a devisee until the =
will has been probated. The title and right to possession of such lands, =
tenements, or hereditaments so vested in such heirs or devisees, =
together with the rents, issues, and profits thereof, shall be good and =
valid against all persons claiming adversely to the claims of any such =
heirs, or devisees, excepting only the personal representative when =
appointed, and persons lawfully claiming under such personal =
representative; and any one or more of such heirs or devisees, or their =
grantees, jointly or severally, may sue for and recover their respective =
shares or interests in any such lands, tenements, or hereditaments and =
the rents, issues, and profits thereof, whether letters testamentary or =
of administration be granted or not, from any person except the personal =
representative and those lawfully claiming under such personal =
representative.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>A deed from the PR to the Beneficiary should be =
sufficient. A title policy could be obtained, but is not mandatory. Talk =
to title company officer in county where property is located, as Kate =
suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Michael A. =
Winslow<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>1204 Cleveland =
Ave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Mount Vernon, WA =
98273<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Ph. =
360-336-3321<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Em. <a =
href=3D"mailto:Mike at winslegal.com">Mike at winslegal.com</a><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>This message is from an attorney, =
so it’s confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, =
it’s too late to stop reading this message, but you may not use it =
for any improper purpose. Huge Disclaimer available upon =
request.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-outline-level:1'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists=
.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Liebler<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of =
Distribution but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in =
Title 11)) Title vests upon death subject to administration.  In =
old days that’s all it took via a probate or adjudication.  =
Although my current practice is to do an estate quit claim deed of =
distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of completion =
cases, I do not believe a “Deed” out of probate is =
required.  Most Title Companies will check the probate to verify, =
but when oK they insure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Craig L.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-outline-level:1'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists=
.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neli Espe, Olympic Legal =
Services, PS<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of =
Distribution but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Dear =
List-mates,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I am =
handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her 90s =
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents =
in the 1960s. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The =
document evidencing her ownership is a “Decree of =
Distribution” filed in her parents’ joint probate. There is =
a deed transferring the property to T’s parents, but there is no =
deed transferring the property to T, just the court decree. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>All county =
records list T as the owner, including water rights documents and an =
open space taxation agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In her =
will, T leaves the property to her son. T’s grandson is the PR. =
There is no argument among T’s beneficiaries as to the =
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From: "Neli Espe, Olympic Legal Services, PS" <neli at olympiclegal.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
but NO Deed
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:56:11 -0800
Reply-To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
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Dear Craig,

Do you use any particular language in addition to the typical QCD one?

Thanks,

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
neli at olympiclegal.com
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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Craig Liebler
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution
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By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in Title 11)) Title vests upon
death subject to administration.  In old days that's all it took via a
probate or adjudication.  Although my current practice is to do an estate
quit claim deed of distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of
completion cases, I do not believe a "Deed" out of probate is required.
Most Title Companies will check the probate to verify, but when oK they
insure.
Craig L.

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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Neli Espe, Olympic
Legal Services, PS
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but
NO
Deed

Dear List-mates,

I am handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her
90s
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents
in
the 1960s.

The document evidencing her ownership is a "Decree of Distribution" filed
in
her parents' joint probate. There is a deed transferring the property to
T's
parents, but there is no deed transferring the property to T, just the
court
decree.

All county records list T as the owner, including water rights documents
and
an open space taxation agreement.

In her will, T leaves the property to her son. T's grandson is the PR.
There
is no argument among T's beneficiaries as to the distribution.

What would be the most efficient way to do pass title to T's son? I am
pondering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or
expensive. Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn't there be a
short cut from court decree to deed?

Thank you in advance for any pointers.

Neli

Neli T. Espe, J.D.

Olympic Legal Services, P.S.
T: (360) 630-3635
F: (888) 493-0120
neli at olympiclegal.com
www.olympiclegal.com

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Craig, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
,"sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Do you =
use any particular language in addition to the typical QCD =
one?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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J.D.<br></span></b><span =
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Roman";color:black;mso-no-proof:yes'>Olympic Legal Services, P.S.<br>T: =
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ont-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span =
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ont-family:"Times New Roman"'> wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig =
Liebler<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:12 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of Distribution but NO =
Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>By statute ( I think very old and somewhere in =
Title 11)) Title vests upon death subject to administration.  In =
old days that’s all it took via a probate or adjudication.  =
Although my current practice is to do an estate quit claim deed of =
distribution, even in non intervention / declaration of completion =
cases, I do not believe a “Deed” out of probate is =
required.  Most Title Companies will check the probate to verify, =
but when oK they insure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Craig L.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a> [<a =
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.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neli Espe, Olympic Legal =
Services, PS<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:59 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Property Transfer by Probate Decree of =
Distribution but NO Deed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Dear =
List-mates,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I am =
handling the probate of the estate of a lady who passed away in her 90s =
(T). At issue is a piece of farm land which T inherited from her parents =
in the 1960s. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The =
document evidencing her ownership is a “Decree of =
Distribution” filed in her parents’ joint probate. There is =
a deed transferring the property to T’s parents, but there is no =
deed transferring the property to T, just the court decree. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>All county =
records list T as the owner, including water rights documents and an =
open space taxation agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In her =
will, T leaves the property to her son. T’s grandson is the PR. =
There is no argument among T’s beneficiaries as to the =
distribution. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>What would =
be the most efficient way to do pass title to T’s son? I am =
pondering a couple of options, but they all appear cumbersome and/or =
expensive. Reopen old probate? Quiet title action? Shouldn’t there =
be a short cut from court decree to deed?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thank you =
in advance for any pointers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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Espe, J.D.<br></span></b><span =
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<span =
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From: Eric Nelsen <Eric at sayrelawoffices.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:28:51 +0000
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I think the house is presumed to be community property because the house
wa=
s acquired during the marriage, and the characterization occurs at date of
=
acquisition. The funds used to acquire the house may have been quasi-CP,
bu=
t taking title to Washington real property as "husband and wife" bolsters
t=
he presumption that the house is plain CP, and the quasi-CP purchasing
fund=
s were essentially a gift to the community.

The CP presumption could be rebutted with the proper facts--evidence of
int=
ending maintenance of a separate character in some way--but the way they
to=
ok title seems to militate against that.

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen
SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC
1320 University St
Seattle WA  98101-2837
phone 206-625-0092
fax 206-625-9040

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.c=
om] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husba=
nd and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds earned in
=
a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John and Sally,
hus=
band and wife." Is the house community property or quasi-community
property=
?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________
Jacob H. Menashe
Hickman Menashe, PS
4211 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Suite 202
Lynnwood, WA 98036
(425) 744-5658 phone
(425) 744-6078 fax
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the house is
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resumed to be community property because the house was acquired during the
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marriage, and the characterization occurs at date of acquisition. The
funds=
 used to acquire the house may have
 been quasi-CP, but taking title to Washington real property as
"husba=
nd and wife" bolsters the presumption that the house is plain CP, and
=
the quasi-CP purchasing funds were essentially a gift to the
community.<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The CP presumption
cou=
ld be rebutted with the proper facts--evidence of intending maintenance of
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a separate character in some way--but the way they took title seems to
mili=
tate against that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric
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C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">SAYRE=
 LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">1320
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University St<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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wner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Menashe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Community Property Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I have a community
prope=
rty versus quasi-community property question. Husband and wife move to
Wash=
ington
<u>after</u> retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community
property=
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wife.&#82=
21; Is the house community property or quasi-community property?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jacob H.
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:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hickman Menashe,
PS<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">4211 Alderwood Mall
Blvd=
., Suite 202<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Lynnwood, WA
98036<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">(425) 744-5658
phone<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">(425) 744-6078
fax<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:29:35 -0800
From: "Roger Hawkes" <Roger at law-hawks.com>
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From: "Sam Furgason" <sam at furgasons.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:36:59 -0800
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I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property
rules come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both
still living there is not yet any quasi.

That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is
(rebuttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They
might want to clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC
Sec. 1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of community property on
death of one spouse. That is, of course, if they're still speaking.

S

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husband and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds
earned in a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John
and Sally, husband and wife." Is the house community property or
quasi-community property?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________

Jacob H. Menashe

Hickman Menashe, PS

4211 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Suite 202

Lynnwood, WA 98036

(425) 744-5658 phone

(425) 744-6078 fax

www.hickmanmenashe.com

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From: Kate Szurek <kate at skagitlaw.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT]
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:49:18 +0000
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Someone a while back posted the name of a good contact person at the AG's
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where, but can't find it.  Help?

Thanks in advance.

Kate

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kate<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: "Karen E. Boxx" <kboxx at uw.edu>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 00:08:50 +0000
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Sam is right - quasi-community property only applies on the death of the
fi=
rst spouse.  as for the community presumption, it's easily rebutted by the
=
fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was separate, because earned in
=
a common law state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert
=
it to community property by agreement now that they live in Washington,
but=
 the deed doesn't seem to get them there.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason"
<sam at furgasons.com<mailto:sam at f=
urgasons.com>> wrote:

I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property
rules=
 come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still
l=
iving there is not yet any quasi.
That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is
(rebu=
ttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They might want
t=
o clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014,
whi=
ch adjusts basis of both halves of community property on death of one
spous=
e. That is, of course, if they=92re still speaking.
S

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m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husba=
nd and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds earned in
=
a non-community property state and purchase a house as =93John and Sally,
h=
usband and wife.=94 Is the house community property or quasi-community
prop=
erty?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________
Jacob H. Menashe
Hickman Menashe, PS
4211 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Suite 202
Lynnwood, WA 98036
(425) 744-5658 phone
(425) 744-6078 fax
www.hickmanmenashe.com

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<div>Sam is right - quasi-community property only applies on the death of
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he first spouse.  as for the community presumption, it's easily
rebutt=
ed by the fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was separate, because
=
earned in a common law state.  see Scott
 v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert it to community property
=
by agreement now that they live in Washington, but the deed doesn't seem
to=
 get them there.  <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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mes New Roman","serif";color:black">That gets you into
presu=
mptions (property held as husband and wife is (rebuttably) presumed to be
c=
ommunity, which gets into intent. They might want to clear
 that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014, which
adju=
sts basis of both halves of
<i>community</i> property on death of one spouse. That is, of course, if
th=
ey=92re still speaking.
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<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbar=
ppt.com</a> [<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsba=
pt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Menashe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarp=
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Community Property Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I have a community
prope=
rty versus quasi-community property question. Husband and wife move to
Wash=
ington
<u>after</u> retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community
property=
 state and purchase a house as =93John and Sally, husband and wife.=94 Is
t=
he house community property or quasi-community property?
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jacob H.
Menashe<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hickman Menashe,
PS<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">4211 Alderwood Mall
Blvd=
., Suite 202<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Lynnwood, WA
98036<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">(425) 744-5658
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From: "Claudia Gowan" <claudia at cagowanlaw.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:20:07 -0800
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Jacob, I didn't see note of what your clients are looking for but if they
want to ensure that the property is treated as community property, you
should probably do a community property agreement or at least a quit claim
deed to them for the purpose of creating community property.

One of the issues with the statute regarding quasi-community property is
that it does not apply in the event of a dissolution of marriage.so, your
overall analysis might include that consideration too.

Best, Claudia

Claudia A. Gowan

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From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Sam Furgason
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:37 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property
rules
come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still
living there is not yet any quasi.

That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is
(rebuttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They might
want to clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec.
1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of community property on death of
one spouse. That is, of course, if they're still speaking.

S

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husband and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds
earned
in a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John and Sally,
husband and wife." Is the house community property or quasi-community
property?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________

Jacob H. Menashe

Hickman Menashe, PS

4211 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Suite 202

Lynnwood, WA 98036

(425) 744-5658 phone

(425) 744-6078 fax

www.hickmanmenashe.com

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jacob, I =
didn’t see note of what your clients are looking for but if they =
want to ensure that the property is treated as community property, you =
should probably do a community property agreement or at least a quit =
claim deed to them for the purpose of creating community =
property.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>One of the issues with the statute regarding =
quasi-community property is that it does not apply in the event of a =
dissolution of marriage…so, your overall analysis might include =
that consideration too.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Best, =
Claudia<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Brush =
Script MT";color:#002060'>Claudia A. Gowan<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#002060'>Claudia A. Gowan, =
PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'>Market Place One, Suite =
330<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'>2003 Western Avenue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#002060'>Seattle, WA =
98121<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'>(206) 443-2733 (T)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#002060'>(206) 448-2252 =
(F)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><a href=3D"mailto:claudia at cagowanlaw.com"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>claudia at cagowanlaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#002060'><a =
href=3D"http://www.seattletrustsandestates.com"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>www.seattletrustsandestates.com</span></a><o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#002060'>Pursuant to Circular 230 =
and unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice =
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, =
and may not be used, for the purpose of avoiding tax-related penalties =
or promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax related =
matters addressed herein.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Furgason<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, =
2014 3:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> =
RE: [WSBAPT] Community Property =
Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>I believe somebody has to be dead before the =
quasi-community property rules come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. =
seq.), so if they are both still living there is not yet any quasi. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>That gets you into presumptions (property =
held as husband and wife is (rebuttably) presumed to be community, which =
gets into intent. They might want to clear that up, because there is no =
mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of =
<i>community</i> property on death of one spouse. That is, of course, if =
they’re still speaking. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>S<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists=
.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Menashe<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Community Property =
Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>I have a community property versus quasi-community =
property question. Husband and wife move to Washington <u>after</u> =
retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community property state and =
purchase a house as “John and Sally, husband and wife.” Is =
the house community property or quasi-community property? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Jacob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>_______________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Jacob H. =
Menashe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Hickman Menashe, PS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>4211 Alderwood Mall Blvd., =
Suite 202<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Lynnwood, WA 98036<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>(425) 744-5658 =
phone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>(425) 744-6078 fax<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
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Thanks in advance.

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Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:29:29 -0800
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Speaking as in s=E9ance speak?? I haven't had one of those yetJ  look =
forward to itJJJ

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Sam is correct; death first, then quasi analysis.  On these facts I =
don't think it applies.  If someone wants it not to be community =
property, Borghi applies, methinks.

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From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Sam Furgason
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Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

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I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property =
rules come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both =
still living there is not yet any quasi.=20

That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is =
(rebuttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They =
might want to clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC =
Sec. 1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of community property on =
death of one spouse. That is, of course, if they're still speaking.=20

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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

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I have a community property versus quasi-community property question. =
Husband and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds =
earned in a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John =
and Sally, husband and wife." Is the house community property or =
quasi-community property?=20

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Thanks,

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Jacob

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2014 3:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<br><b>Subject:</b> =
RE: [WSBAPT] Community Property =
Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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Roman","serif";color:black'>I believe somebody has to be dead before the =
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seq.), so if they are both still living there is not yet any quasi. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Roman","serif";color:black'>That gets you into presumptions (property =
held as husband and wife is (rebuttably) presumed to be community, which =
gets into intent. They might want to clear that up, because there is no =
mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of =
<i>community</i> property on death of one spouse. That is, of course, if =
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property question. Husband and wife move to Washington <u>after</u> =
retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community property state and =
purchase a house as “John and Sally, husband and wife.” Is =
the house community property or quasi-community property? =
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From: Jacob Menashe <jacob at hickmanmenashe.com>
Subject: RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 01:32:10 +0000
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What an interesting discussion - thanks to all who contributed! Indeed, I
a=
m thinking about a scenario where one spouse has died.

And I guess my question back to Professor Box, if I may, is whether her
ana=
lysis would be impacted in that it wasn't really separate property that
wen=
t into the house purchase, by Washington residents, as "husband and wife,"
=
but it was money these folks had together from their marriage, and from
bot=
h of their work outside the house?

Jacob

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.c=
om] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM
To: <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

Sam is right - quasi-community property only applies on the death of the
fi=
rst spouse.  as for the community presumption, it's easily rebutted by the
=
fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was separate, because earned in
=
a common law state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert
=
it to community property by agreement now that they live in Washington,
but=
 the deed doesn't seem to get them there.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason"
<sam at furgasons.com<mailto:sam at f=
urgasons.com>> wrote:

I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property
rules=
 come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still
l=
iving there is not yet any quasi.
That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is
(rebu=
ttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They might want
t=
o clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014,
whi=
ch adjusts basis of both halves of community property on death of one
spous=
e. That is, of course, if they're still speaking.
S

From:
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m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husba=
nd and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds earned in
=
a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John and Sally,
hus=
band and wife." Is the house community property or quasi-community
property=
?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sam is right - quasi-community property only
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=
it's easily rebutted by the fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was
=
separate, because earned in a common law
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mes New Roman","serif";color:black">I believe somebody has
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o be dead before the quasi-community property rules come into play (check
o=
ut 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still living
 there is not yet any quasi. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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mes New Roman","serif";color:black">That gets you into
presu=
mptions (property held as husband and wife is (rebuttably) presumed to be
c=
ommunity, which gets into intent. They might want to clear
 that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014, which
adju=
sts basis of both halves of
<i>community</i> property on death of one spouse. That is, of course, if
th=
ey’re still speaking.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I have a community
prope=
rty versus quasi-community property question. Husband and wife move to
Wash=
ington
<u>after</u> retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community
property=
 state and purchase a house as “John and Sally, husband and
wife.&#82=
21; Is the house community property or quasi-community property?
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</p>
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/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jacob H.
Menashe</span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hickman Menashe,
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From: "Karen E. Boxx" <kboxx at uw.edu>
Subject: [BULK]  Re: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 01:38:51 +0000
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it's still separate property if it was earned in a common law state.  by
de=
finition, if acquired in a common law state it's separate when they
acquire=
 while living in a non cp state and bring it into washington, even if it
wo=
uld have been cp if earned while living here. I read your fact description
=
that they had earned all their money while living in a non-cp state.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:35 PM, "Jacob Menashe"
<jacob at hickmanmenashe.com<mail=
to:jacob at hickmanmenashe.com>> wrote:

What an interesting discussion =96 thanks to all who contributed! Indeed,
I=
 am thinking about a scenario where one spouse has died.

And I guess my question back to Professor Box, if I may, is whether her
ana=
lysis would be impacted in that it wasn=92t really separate property that
w=
ent into the house purchase, by Washington residents, as =93husband and
wif=
e,=94 but it was money these folks had together from their marriage, and
fr=
om both of their work outside the house?

Jacob

From:
wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.co=
m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM
To: <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

Sam is right - quasi-community property only applies on the death of the
fi=
rst spouse.  as for the community presumption, it's easily rebutted by the
=
fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was separate, because earned in
=
a common law state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert
=
it to community property by agreement now that they live in Washington,
but=
 the deed doesn't seem to get them there.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason"
<sam at furgasons.com<mailto:sam at f=
urgasons.com>> wrote:

I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property
rules=
 come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still
l=
iving there is not yet any quasi.
That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is
(rebu=
ttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They might want
t=
o clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014,
whi=
ch adjusts basis of both halves of community property on death of one
spous=
e. That is, of course, if they=92re still speaking.
S

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m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husba=
nd and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds earned in
=
a non-community property state and purchase a house as =93John and Sally,
h=
usband and wife.=94 Is the house community property or quasi-community
prop=
erty?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen E. Boxx<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sam is right - quasi-community property only
applies=
 on the death of the first spouse.  as for the community presumption,
=
it's easily rebutted by the fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was
=
separate, because earned in a common law
 state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert
it=
 to community property by agreement now that they live in Washington, but
t=
he deed doesn't seem to get them there.  <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason" <<a
href=3D"mailto=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
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Roman","serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman","serif";color:black">I believe somebody has
t=
o be dead before the quasi-community property rules come into play (check
o=
ut 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still living
 there is not yet any quasi. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman","serif";color:black">That gets you into
presu=
mptions (property held as husband and wife is (rebuttably) presumed to be
c=
ommunity, which gets into intent. They might want to clear
 that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014, which
adju=
sts basis of both halves of
<i>community</i> property on death of one spouse. That is, of course, if
th=
ey=92re still speaking.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I have a community
prope=
rty versus quasi-community property question. Husband and wife move to
Wash=
ington
<u>after</u> retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community
property=
 state and purchase a house as =93John and Sally, husband and wife.=94 Is
t=
he house community property or quasi-community property?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D"color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:black">_______________________<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Jacob H.
Menashe</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hickman Menashe,
PS</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">4211 Alderwood Mall
Blvd=
., Suite 202</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Lynnwood, WA
98036</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">(425) 744-5658
phone</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">(425) 744-6078
fax</span=
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From: Eric Nelsen <Eric at sayrelawoffices.com>
Subject: [BULK]  RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:13:29 +0000
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I think I am missing something, if I'm coming up with an opinion contrary
t=
o Prof. Boxx's.

Would the house be separate property solely because the money used to
joint=
ly acquire it was each spouse's "separate property" based on another
state'=
s law? Does the characterization-on-acquisition rule not apply for some
rea=
son?

This isn't a situation where, for example, Wife buys a car with cash from
a=
 separate-property bank account and titles it solely in her own name. I
und=
erstand the question to be about a house bought together (with both
spouse'=
s separate funds) and titled jointly as "husband and wife." As an
acquisiti=
on during marriage, that seems like it's presumed to be community
property.=
 At the very least, I would think the separate property commingled and
ther=
efore now community property.

Also, as it's titled in "X and Y, husband and wife" which looks (to me)
mor=
e like holding as community property versus "X and Y, a married couple,
eac=
h as to an undivided equal separate property interest as tenants in
common.=
" All these things together, to me, make the community property
presumption=
 difficult to rebut. It is bolstered by the rule that separate assets used
=
to acquire an asset and including the other spouse's name on title is
presu=
mptively a gift to the community. The case cited, Scott v. Currie, 7 Wn.2d
=
301, cites all these rules.

If I'm messing this up, I would welcome comments and criticism. Thanks as
a=
lways--

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen
SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC
1320 University St
Seattle WA  98101-2837
phone 206-625-0092
fax 206-625-9040

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.c=
om] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:39 PM
To: <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [BULK] Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

it's still separate property if it was earned in a common law state.  by
de=
finition, if acquired in a common law state it's separate when they
acquire=
 while living in a non cp state and bring it into washington, even if it
wo=
uld have been cp if earned while living here. I read your fact description
=
that they had earned all their money while living in a non-cp state.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:35 PM, "Jacob Menashe"
<jacob at hickmanmenashe.com<mail=
to:jacob at hickmanmenashe.com>> wrote:
What an interesting discussion - thanks to all who contributed! Indeed, I
a=
m thinking about a scenario where one spouse has died.

And I guess my question back to Professor Box, if I may, is whether her
ana=
lysis would be impacted in that it wasn't really separate property that
wen=
t into the house purchase, by Washington residents, as "husband and wife,"
=
but it was money these folks had together from their marriage, and from
bot=
h of their work outside the house?

Jacob

From:
wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.co=
m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM
To: <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

Sam is right - quasi-community property only applies on the death of the
fi=
rst spouse.  as for the community presumption, it's easily rebutted by the
=
fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was separate, because earned in
=
a common law state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert
=
it to community property by agreement now that they live in Washington,
but=
 the deed doesn't seem to get them there.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason"
<sam at furgasons.com<mailto:sam at f=
urgasons.com>> wrote:

I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property
rules=
 come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still
l=
iving there is not yet any quasi.
That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is
(rebu=
ttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They might want
t=
o clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014,
whi=
ch adjusts basis of both halves of community property on death of one
spous=
e. That is, of course, if they're still speaking.
S

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m> [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I have a community property versus quasi-community property question.
Husba=
nd and wife move to Washington after retirement. They take funds earned in
=
a non-community property state and purchase a house as "John and Sally,
hus=
band and wife." Is the house community property or quasi-community
property=
?

Thanks,

Jacob

_______________________
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Hickman Menashe, PS
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think I am missing
s=
omething, if I'm coming up with an opinion contrary to Prof.
Boxx's.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Would the house be
sep=
arate property solely because the money used to jointly acquire it was
each=
 spouse's "separate property" based on another state's law? Does
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the characterization-on-acquisition rule not apply
 for some reason?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">This isn't a
situation=
 where, for example, Wife buys a car with cash from a separate-property
ban=
k account and titles it solely in her own name. I understand the question
t=
o be about a house bought together (with
<u>both</u> spouse's separate funds) and titled jointly as "husband
an=
d wife." As an acquisition during marriage, that seems like it's
presu=
med to be community property. At the very least, I would think the
separate=
 property commingled and therefore now community
 property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Also, as it's titled
i=
n "X and Y, husband and wife" which looks (to me) more like
holdi=
ng as community property versus "X and Y, a married couple, each as
to=
 an undivided equal separate property interest as tenants
 in common." All these things together, to me, make the community
prop=
erty presumption difficult to rebut. It is bolstered by the rule that
separ=
ate assets used to acquire an asset and including the other spouse's name
o=
n title is presumptively a gift to the
 community. The case cited, <u>Scott v. Currie</u>, 7 Wn.2d 301, cites all
=
these rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If I'm messing this
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, I would welcome comments and criticism. Thanks as
always--<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span
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;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
wsbapt-o=
wner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen E. Boxx<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BULK] Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property
Question<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">it's still separate property if it was earned in a
c=
ommon law state.  by definition, if acquired in a common law state
it'=
s separate when they acquire while living in a non cp state and bring it
in=
to washington, even if it would have been
 cp if earned while living here. I read your fact description that they
had=
 earned all their money while living in a non-cp state.  <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:35 PM, "Jacob Menashe" <<a
href=3D"mailt=
o:jacob at hickmanmenashe.com">jacob at hickmanmenashe.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">What an interesting
disc=
ussion – thanks to all who contributed! Indeed, I am thinking about
a=
 scenario where one spouse has died.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">And I guess my question
=
back to Professor Box, if I may, is whether her analysis would be impacted
=
in that it wasn’t really separate property that went into the house
p=
urchase, by Washington residents, as “husband
 and wife,” but it was money these folks had together from their
marr=
iage, and from both of their work outside the house?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:black">Jacob</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbar=
ppt.com</a> [<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsba=
pt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen E. Boxx<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.ws=
barppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property
Question</span><o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sam is right - quasi-community property only
applies=
 on the death of the first spouse.  as for the community presumption,
=
it's easily rebutted by the fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was
=
separate, because earned in a common law
 state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301.  they could convert
it=
 to community property by agreement now that they live in Washington, but
t=
he deed doesn't seem to get them there.  <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason" <<a
href=3D"mailto=
:sam at furgasons.com">sam at furgasons.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New
Roman","serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman","serif";color:black">I believe somebody has
t=
o be dead before the quasi-community property rules come into play (check
o=
ut 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both still living
 there is not yet any quasi. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman","serif";color:black">That gets you into
presu=
mptions (property held as husband and wife is (rebuttably) presumed to be
c=
ommunity, which gets into intent. They might want to clear
 that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC Sec. 1014, which
adju=
sts basis of both halves of
<i>community</i> property on death of one spouse. That is, of course, if
th=
ey’re still speaking.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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mes New Roman","serif";color:black">S</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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mes New
Roman","serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
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<a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbar=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Menashe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt at lists.wsbarp=
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Community Property Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I have a community
prope=
rty versus quasi-community property question. Husband and wife move to
Wash=
ington
<u>after</u> retirement. They take funds earned in a non-community
property=
 state and purchase a house as “John and Sally, husband and
wife.&#82=
21; Is the house community property or quasi-community property?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
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From: "Judy Luther" <JELuther at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [BULK]  RE: [WSBAPT]  Community Property Question
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:40:23 -0800
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I am confused as well.  Am I not understanding RCW 26.16.220?  I =
understand quasi-community property to be property that would have been =
considered community had the married couple been residing in Washington =
(or any CP state) at the time the asset was acquired.  Therefore, if the =
spouses earned income in a non-CP state, then moved to Washington and =
used said income to purchase a home, the income would be considered =
quasi-CP because it was earned during the marriage, and the home would =
be considered (at a minimum) quasi-CP because quasi-CP funds were used =
to purchase it.  Am I completely off base?

~ Judy Luther
Judith E. Luther

Carlson-Whitley & Luther, LLP

1217 Cooper Point Road SW, Suite 6

Olympia, WA 98502-7206

Ph: (360) 915-9774

Fx: (360) 915-8759=20

From: Eric Nelsen=20
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:13 PM
To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com=20
Subject: [BULK] RE: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

I think I am missing something, if I'm coming up with an opinion =
contrary to Prof. Boxx's.

=20

Would the house be separate property solely because the money used to =
jointly acquire it was each spouse's "separate property" based on =
another state's law? Does the characterization-on-acquisition rule not =
apply for some reason?

=20

This isn't a situation where, for example, Wife buys a car with cash =
from a separate-property bank account and titles it solely in her own =
name. I understand the question to be about a house bought together =
(with both spouse's separate funds) and titled jointly as "husband and =
wife." As an acquisition during marriage, that seems like it's presumed =
to be community property. At the very least, I would think the separate =
property commingled and therefore now community property.

=20

Also, as it's titled in "X and Y, husband and wife" which looks (to me) =
more like holding as community property versus "X and Y, a married =
couple, each as to an undivided equal separate property interest as =
tenants in common." All these things together, to me, make the community =
property presumption difficult to rebut. It is bolstered by the rule =
that separate assets used to acquire an asset and including the other =
spouse's name on title is presumptively a gift to the community. The =
case cited, Scott v. Currie, 7 Wn.2d 301, cites all these rules.

=20

If I'm messing this up, I would welcome comments and criticism. Thanks =
as always--

=20

Sincerely,

=20

Eric

=20

Eric C. Nelsen

SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC

1320 University St

Seattle WA  98101-2837

phone 206-625-0092

fax 206-625-9040

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From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:39 PM
To: <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [BULK] Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

=20

it's still separate property if it was earned in a common law state.  by =
definition, if acquired in a common law state it's separate when they =
acquire while living in a non cp state and bring it into washington, =
even if it would have been cp if earned while living here. I read your =
fact description that they had earned all their money while living in a =
non-cp state. =20

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:35 PM, "Jacob Menashe" <jacob at hickmanmenashe.com> =
wrote:

  What an interesting discussion =E2=80=93 thanks to all who =
contributed! Indeed, I am thinking about a scenario where one spouse has =
died.=20

  =20

  And I guess my question back to Professor Box, if I may, is whether =
her analysis would be impacted in that it wasn=E2=80=99t really separate =
property that went into the house purchase, by Washington residents, as =
=E2=80=9Chusband and wife,=E2=80=9D but it was money these folks had =
together from their marriage, and from both of their work outside the =
house?=20

  =20

  Jacob

  =20

From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Karen E. Boxx
 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:09 PM
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  =20

  Sam is right - quasi-community property only applies on the death of =
the first spouse.  as for the community presumption, it's easily =
rebutted by the fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was separate, =
because earned in a common law state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 wn.2d 301. =
 they could convert it to community property by agreement now that they =
live in Washington, but the deed doesn't seem to get them there. =20

  Sent from my iPad

  On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "Sam Furgason" <sam at furgasons.com> wrote:

    =20

    I believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community =
property rules come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they =
are both still living there is not yet any quasi.=20

    That gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife =
is (rebuttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They =
might want to clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC =
Sec. 1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of community property on =
death of one spouse. That is, of course, if they=E2=80=99re still =
speaking.=20

    S

    =20

    From: wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com =
[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Menashe
    Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:54 PM
    To: wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com
    Subject: [WSBAPT] Community Property Question

    =20

    I have a community property versus quasi-community property =
question. Husband and wife move to Washington after retirement. They =
take funds earned in a non-community property state and purchase a house =
as =E2=80=9CJohn and Sally, husband and wife.=E2=80=9D Is the house =
community property or quasi-community property?=20

    =20

    Thanks,

    =20

    Jacob

    =20

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    www.hickmanmenashe.com

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if I'm coming up with an opinion contrary to Prof. =
Boxx's.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p> 
Would the house be =
separate=20
property solely because the money used to jointly acquire it was each =
spouse's=20
"separate property" based on another state's law? Does the=20
characterization-on-acquisition rule not apply for some=20
reason?<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p> 
This isn't a =
situation where,=20
for example, Wife buys a car with cash from a separate-property bank =
account and=20
titles it solely in her own name. I understand the question to be about =
a house=20
bought together (with both spouse's separate funds) and titled =
jointly as=20
"husband and wife." As an acquisition during marriage, that seems like =
it's=20
presumed to be community property. At the very least, I would think the =
separate=20
property commingled and therefore now community =
property.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p> 
Also, as it's titled =
in "X and=20
Y, husband and wife" which looks (to me) more like holding as community =
property=20
versus "X and Y, a married couple, each as to an undivided equal =
separate=20
property interest as tenants in common." All these things together, to =
me, make=20
the community property presumption difficult to rebut. It is bolstered =
by the=20
rule that separate assets used to acquire an asset and including the =
other=20
spouse's name on title is presumptively a gift to the community. The =
case cited,=20
Scott v. Currie, 7 Wn.2d 301, cites all these=20
rules.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p> 
If I'm messing this =
up, I would=20
welcome comments and criticism. Thanks as always--<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p> 
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
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10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=20
wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Karen E. Boxx<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 20, 2014 =
5:39=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com><BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[BULK] Re:=20
[WSBAPT] Community Property Question<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>it's still separate property if it was earned in a =
common law=20
state.  by definition, if acquired in a common law state it's =
separate when=20
they acquire while living in a non cp state and bring it into =
washington, even=20
if it would have been cp if earned while living here. I read your fact=20
description that they had earned all their money while living in a =
non-cp=20
state.  <BR><BR>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3DMsoNormal><BR>On Feb 20, 2014, =
at 5:35 PM,=20
"Jacob Menashe" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:jacob at hickmanmenashe.com">jacob at hickmanmenashe.com</A>>=
=20
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">What an interesting =
discussion =E2=80=93=20
  thanks to all who contributed! Indeed, I am thinking about a scenario =
where=20
  one spouse has died. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">And I guess my =
question back to=20
  Professor Box, if I may, is whether her analysis would be impacted in =
that it=20
  wasn=E2=80=99t really separate property that went into the house =
purchase, by=20
  Washington residents, as =E2=80=9Chusband and wife,=E2=80=9D but it =
was money these folks had=20
  together from their marriage, and from both of their work outside the =
house?=20
  </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">Jacob</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarp=
pt.com</A>=20
  [<A=20
  =
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.wsbarppt.com</A>]=20
  <B>On Behalf Of </B>Karen E. Boxx<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February =
20, 2014=20
  4:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <<A=20
  =
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t;<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  Re: [WSBAPT] Community Property =
Question</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Sam is right - quasi-community property only =
applies on the=20
  death of the first spouse.  as for the community presumption, =
it's easily=20
  rebutted by the fact that the $$ used to purchase the home was =
separate,=20
  because earned in a common law state.  see Scott v. Currie, 7 =
wn.2d=20
  301.  they could convert it to community property by agreement =
now that=20
  they live in Washington, but the deed doesn't seem to get them =
there. =20
  <BR><BR>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3DMsoNormal><BR>On Feb 20, =
2014, at 3:39=20
  PM, "Sam Furgason" <<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:sam at furgasons.com">sam at furgasons.com</A>>=20
  wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; =
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I=20
    believe somebody has to be dead before the quasi-community property =
rules=20
    come into play (check out 26.16.220 et. seq.), so if they are both =
still=20
    living there is not yet any quasi. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; =
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">That=20
    gets you into presumptions (property held as husband and wife is=20
    (rebuttably) presumed to be community, which gets into intent. They =
might=20
    want to clear that up, because there is no mention of quasi in IRC =
Sec.=20
    1014, which adjusts basis of both halves of <I>community</I> =
property on=20
    death of one spouse. That is, of course, if they=E2=80=99re still =
speaking.=20
    </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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    [WSBAPT] Community Property =
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">I have a community =
property=20
    versus quasi-community property question. Husband and wife move to=20
    Washington <U>after</U> retirement. They take funds earned in a=20
    non-community property state and purchase a house as =E2=80=9CJohn =
and Sally,=20
    husband and wife.=E2=80=9D Is the house community property or =
quasi-community=20
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
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