[WSBAPT] in terrorem/no contest clauses in Wills
Josh Grant
jgrant at accima.com
Tue Apr 8 13:10:34 PDT 2014
Although I don't have citations, it has been my understanding that there
is appelate cases which hold that such clauses are not enforceable
(unlawful restriction of right to be heard in court ... etc.) so I tell
people that its fine to put this in a will if you want but that it is
probably not going to be honored by a judge.
Joshua F. Grant
Attorney at Law
P.O. Box 619
Wilbur, WA 99185
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Subject: RE: [WSBAPT] in terrorem/no contest clauses in Wills
In my view, the in terrorem clause does not automatically create a right
to receive notice of the estate proceedings. That right comes with being
named as an heir. It only provides that anyone who contests the will
receives $10 (or whatever) instead of their regular bequest, or the share
they might have otherwise taken if a will challenge is otherwise
successful.
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[mailto:wsbapt-owner at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Fry
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] in terrorem/no contest clauses in Wills
Agree with Richard.
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Richard Wills wrote:
What am I missing or misunderstanding???
Why leave a Will contestant any nominal amount, eg, $1 or $10 etc. That
means that they remain interested in the estate, entitled to notice, & due
a distribution, even if only $1, for which the PR will need to obtain from
the contestant a Receipt (& good luck in getting it). Why not simply
"remove 'em," as Big Julie in Guys & Dolls would do?
This does not address giving a disfavored heir a nominal amount to induce
them not to file a Will contest, as suggested by Mr. Edensword-Breck.
That really goes to the issue of dealing with a disinheritance clause, not
a Will contest clause, which I believe to be two different animals.
On 4/8/2014 10:43 AM, Jennifer Johnson wrote:
I’m also interested to hear more about this. We have used the following
provision for a while. We usually tell clients that we haven’t had the
opportunity to test it in court yet, and that it’s value may largely be in
its deterring effect.
If any devisee or legatee herein, or anyone not named and provided for
herein, shall directly or indirectly contest or dispute the provisions of
this Will, or maintain before any judicial body that this is not my Last
Will and Testament, or call into question before any tribunal or judicial
body the provisions of any legacy, bequest, devise or provision herein to
said person or persons and declare the same to be void and of no effect,
then I give said legacy, devise, bequest or provision so revoked to the
remaining child named herein or their children, per stirpes, who does not
so contest this Will. In the event that such person contesting this Will
shall prevail, then in that event I hereby give, devise and bequeath to
such successful contestant the sum of one dollar ($1.00) in lieu of any
other provision for such person made herein.
Jennifer
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Mind sharing the one you think is bad? This is a good topic of discussion
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Subject: [WSBAPT] in terrorem/no contest clauses in Wills
Good morning,
I am updating a Will for a client. The existing will has a no contest
clause that the client likes; however, I believe it is overly broad and
somewhat inconsistent with the law. (And has given the client a false
sense of security!)
I plan to discuss the pros/cons of keeping this clause but I suspect that
the client will want something due to past experiences within the family.
Does anyone have a concise no contest clause that they use and would be
willing to share.
Thanks!
Sincerely,
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