<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">It's even worse if you look at tax law, as Catherine Rampell has done. Here's an excerpt from her Washington Post column:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-inadvertent-tax-hike/2020/08/10/12457502-db00-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-c-right%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-inadvertent-tax-hike/2020/08/10/12457502-db00-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-c-right%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">Scenario #1: Congress opts for a tax jubilee, forgiving these delayed payroll taxes altogether and converting Trump’s tax deferral into<b> </b>an outright<b> </b>tax cut.<b> </b>Trump is clearly <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/08/08/trump-payroll-tax-cut/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_trumporders231pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&itid=lk_inline_manual_12" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(25,85,165);border-bottom:1px solid rgb(213,213,213)">hoping</a> for this.</p></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem">These payroll taxes fund Social Security, though, and a massive payroll tax cut would cause the program’s trust fund to go broke faster than</span><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem"> </span><a href="https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/" style="font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem;text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(25,85,165);border-bottom:1px solid rgb(213,213,213)">already expected</a><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem">. Shortchanging the entitlement system would be extremely controversial. It’s unlikely that lawmakers would suddenly agree to a policy that would provide fodder for endless attack ads. After all, Congress is not exactly great at coming together to pass controversial, divisive legislation; if lawmakers were, presumably Trump wouldn’t be attempting</span><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem"> </span><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_14" target="_blank" class="gmail-contextual_link" style="font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem;text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(25,85,165);border-bottom:1px solid rgb(213,213,213)">coronavirus</a><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem"> </span><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:1.25rem">relief via executive fiat.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">Scenario #2: Congress does nothing, and employees still have to pay all these deferred taxes when filing their income tax returns next year. That is, a huge, unexpected bill will come due around April 15.</p></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">This would be a bill families likely didn’t budget for, since these taxes usually are withheld from paychecks; many may be expecting refunds that they’d already <a href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mentalaccounting.asp" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(25,85,165);border-bottom:1px solid rgb(213,213,213)">mentally earmarked</a> for rent or a big purchase. Asking Americans to suddenly pay hundreds or thousands of dollars they hadn’t anticipated would amount to a huge fiscal contraction when the economy may well still be in recession.</p></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">Realistically, though, a lot of households may never realize that they’re supposed to pay these deferred taxes because standard tax prep software — at least as currently programmed — probably wouldn’t tell them if they had been under-withheld on payroll taxes.<span style="font-size:1.25rem">And under U.S. tax law, their</span><span style="font-size:1.25rem"> </span><i style="font-size:1.25rem">employers </i><span style="font-size:1.25rem">would then become liable for the deferred employee-share of payroll taxes that were never paid<span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">...</span></span></p><div><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">This brings us to Scenario #3: Employers — including cash-strapped small businesses — are left holding the bag. And at this point, the tax bill could actually get bigger. Here’s why:</p></div><div><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">Come 2021, if and when employers pay the IRS for the payroll tax debts their employees never paid, under U.S. tax law such payments would be treated as <i>income </i>to each affected employee.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> </span><span style="font-size:1.25rem">Because the payments for employees’ unpaid taxes now get treated as employee income, employers would have to remit</span><span style="font-size:1.25rem"> </span><i style="font-size:1.25rem">additional </i><span style="font-size:1.25rem">income and payroll taxes — essentially, they have to pay</span><span style="font-size:1.25rem"> </span><a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg" style="font-size:1.25rem;text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(25,85,165);border-bottom:1px solid rgb(213,213,213)">taxes on taxes</a><span style="font-size:1.25rem">, bizarre as it may sound. (Accountants refer to this as “grossing up.”) Employers can try to recoup the cost of these additional expenses from their employees . . . but good luck if those employees have already moved on to other jobs.</span><span style="font-size:1.25rem"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span class="gmail_default"></span></span></p><div><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">Of course, employers with decent accountants or tax attorneys might discover this potentially enormous new tax exposure before they revamp their entire paycheck withholding process. Tax advisers would probably tell them to just ignore the Trump memorandum, not defer employee-side payroll taxes and conduct business as usual.</p></div><div><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem">This means the best-case scenario is: nothing happens. Which sounds like the prayer Americans mutter every time Trump attempts a half-baked policy like this one.</p><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Ron Force</span></p><p class="gmail-font--body gmail-font-copy gmail-gray-darkest gmail-ma-0 gmail-pb-md" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);padding-bottom:24px;font-family:georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;line-height:1.75;font-size:1.25rem"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Moscow Idaho USA</span></p></div></div></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Franklin,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class="gmail-cb gmail-bg-offwhite gmail-mt-xxs gmail-pt-md gmail-pb-md gmail-mb-lg gmail-ml-neg-gutter gmail-mr-neg-gutter gmail-mr-auto-ns gmail-ml-auto-ns gmail-hide-for-print gmail-dn gmail-db-ns gmail-relative" style="background-color:rgb(247,247,247);margin:4px auto 32px;padding-top:24px;padding-bottom:24px;clear:both;min-height:250px"><div class="gmail-relative gmail-z-1" style="z-index: 1;"><div class="gmail-"><span class="gmail-hide-for-print gmail-hide-for-print" id="gmail-slug_inline_bb_3" style="display:block;margin:auto;min-height:250px;width:300px"><div id="gmail-google_ads_iframe_/701/wpni.opinions_13__container__" style="border:0pt none"></div></span></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roger Hayes <<a href="mailto:rhayesmoscowid@gmail.com">rhayesmoscowid@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Roger Hayes</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:rhayesmoscowid@gmail.com" target="_blank">rhayesmoscowid@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:12 PM<br>Subject: Payroll taxes<br>To: spudnet <<a href="mailto:spudnet@johnblack.com" target="_blank">spudnet@johnblack.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div dir="ltr">Here's the rub on the Orange Ass's Saturday executive orders on SSI and Medicare. <div><br><div>-Defer the payments to SSI and Medicare. If you elect me, I'll make these deferments permanent. If you don't, you'll have to pay all that money back. It's just old, poor, middle class people anyway. Who gives a damn about them, even though they've paid into these programs for a work lifetime.</div><div>- Send a bit of money to unemployed people, but not enough to sustain them. Drive desperate people, who might not be able to make rent, mortgages, car payments and so forth, back to work in unsafe conditions. The employers see that desperation and cut wages. The employers can claim, hey, it's not so bad, your paychecks will nearly be the same due to the payroll deferment for SSI and Medicare. </div></div><div><br></div><div>I have to admit, that while I continue to think that ass is a moron, he sure knows how to hire con men. Mnechen and company. </div></div>
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