<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">If you think the Green New Deal is a socialist scheme, the following discussion on PBS with Christiane Amanpour mentions Ian Bremmer of the Eurasian Group proposing a "Green Marshall Plan" to address climate change, no doubt arousing the ire of those who view global warming politics as a plot to enforce egregious international violations of national sovereignty, like the Paris Climate Accords which the Trump administration has rejected.</p><h1 style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:1em;margin:20px 0px"><div style="font-size:small;font-weight:400">Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</div><div style="font-size:small;font-weight:400">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2000 through life plus 70 years, Ted Moffett. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the <a href="http://vision2020.moscow.com/" target="_blank">Vision2020.Moscow.com</a> forum without the express written permission of the author.*****</div></h1><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">-----------------------------------</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px"><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/henk-ovink-on-climate-change-and-historic-flooding-in-venice-2/" target="_blank" style="font-size:17.6px">https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/henk-ovink-on-climate-change-and-historic-flooding-in-venice-2/</a><span style="font-size:17.6px"> </span><br></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: Now Professor Katharine Hayhoe runs the Climate Science Center at Texas Tech University and served as lead author for a U.S. National</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">Climate Assessment. As an educator, she’s devoted to exposing diverse and often skeptical audiences to the cataclysmic climate changes happening</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">right before our eyes. And Professor Hayhoe is joining us now from Lubbock, Texas.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">Welcome back to the program, Professor Hayhoe.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">KATHARINE HAYHOE, ATMOSPHERIC SCIENTIST: Thank you for having me.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: So, you just heard Henk Ovink speaking particularly in light of what is happening here in Europe with the floods, Venice and elsewhere,</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">about all the stakeholders that need to be involved and all the innovator designs and, you know, the time consuming but necessary infrastructure that</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">needs to be built.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">From your perspective, I just want to — because in America, it seems, unlike in Europe, that it’s much more sort of public consciousness thing.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">It’s much more — you know, you’ve got to convince people to then convince their governments because, you know, you have the only — I think, the only</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">official climate skeptic party in the Western Democratic world happening now to be, you know, presidential office.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">HAYHOE: Well, sadly rejection of climate science is no longer unique to the United States. We are seeing it around the world. But the party that</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">is currently in power is one that specifically says climate is not changing due to human activities when it is.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">We care about climate change because it’s a threat multiplier. So, any disaster, including what is happening in Venice right now, is a function of</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">three things, exposure, vulnerability and then the climate or weather hazard. And Venice really is the perfect storm but we’re seeing plenty of</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">perfect storms here in North America as well, Houston, Mid-Western U.S., they all have that combination of exposure, vulnerability</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">and then, climate change is super sizing or amplifying what used to be entirely natural disasters, making them stronger or more frequent than they</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">have been in the past.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: So, also, obviously, the fires. I mean, we’ve seen these terrible fires that came so close to residences in the urban part of Los</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">Angeles recently. And we’ve seen over several years that terrible devastation by the fires.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">But when you say that climate science disbelief, in other words, people who believe it’s all a hoax, is not unique to the United States, are you saying</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">it’s getting worse or it’s always been something that’s been around? Are people becoming more aware of human, you know, responsibility or less aware</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">around the world?</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">HAYHOE: Well, we are becoming more aware of the need for solutions. And so, the push back is becoming even stronger because no one truly has a</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">problem with science that dates back to the 1850s. What people have appropriate with are the per received solutions. So, the closer the</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">solutions come to reality, the stronger the pushback, not just in the U.S., but in my home country of Canada, we see it in the U.K., we see it</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">throughout the E.U., in Australia, in Brazil and other countries as well.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: So, I want to play a little bit of a soundbite from a speech that was delivered by Ian Bremmer of the Eurasia Group at their conference</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">recently. It’s about, you know, super sizing the response. We’ve heard, obviously, in American all about a Green New Deal, but he goes further.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">And let’s just play this and I’m going ask to get your take on it.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">IAN BREMMER, PRESIDENT, EURASIA GROUP: There is one area where Chinese cooperation with the West right now is more feasible, and that’s combatting</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">the advance of climate change. What we need is a Green Marshall Plan. Mainly Western funded, project that includes the best ideas of the private</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">sector thinkers and the state funded scientists from the West and China on how to make the policy changes and invent the technologies that clean the</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">world’s air and water and limit the damage inflicted by climate change.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">(END VIDEO CLIP)</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: So, Professor Hayhoe, there there’s three main elements there. One, that it’s absolutely imperative to work with China, the world’s</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">biggest polluter on this. But two, the notion of that tried and tested and true thing that is called a Marshall Plan and make it a Green Marshall</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">Plan. But three, that it should be mostly funded by the West. It sounds sensible. Is it tenable, do you think? What do you think of the proposal?</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">HAYHOE: Well, I’m a scientist not an economist. So, I know that we need to cut carbon as much as possible and as soon as possible. And as a human,</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">I would add without harming people and hopefully with helping people by doing so. I also know from looking at the facts that China has more wind</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">and solar energy than any other country in the world. And India is one of the world leaders in green jobs. Yes, China has a lot of coal and now,</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">they’re selling it to countries like Pakistan and helping them build their own coal-fire powered plants. So, we do need an energy revolution and need</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">it to happen everywhere.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: And in terms of the economy, you know, we’ve just seen one of the political parties here in Great Britain launch its business plan, as we</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">have an election coming up on December 12, and they have said they’re going propose a skilling tens of thousands of young British people as apprentices</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">in the climate economy, so to speak.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">And I just wondered — you know, I know you’re not an economist, but how does it impact the science and the solutions when the major, you know,</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">employer in the United States has become the renewable energy industry? It is nearly 3.3 million Americans working in clean energy, which outnumbers</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">fossil fuel workers 3-1.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">I guess I’m asking you how the economic and employment reality affects, I don’t know, people’s acceptance of the science and the ability to translate</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">that acceptance into doing something about it?</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">HAYHOE: It does affect people’s acceptance of the science because, again, people don’t truly reject 200-year-old science, they are rejecting what</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">they perceive to be the solutions. They perceive the only solutions to be — to ruin the economy, to let the government tell them what to do, to let</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">China take over the world. But in fact, as we see, clean energy is part of the solution that grows jobs. And we know that the more people we bring to</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">the people with the greater diversity of ideas and solutions, the more robust those solutions will be.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">So, we are already seeing this happen today. But as a scientist, I know that it is not yet happening fast enough to avoid the most serious</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">and even potentially dangerous impacts of a changing climate.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: So, President Trump is — has pulled the United States out of the Paris Climate Accord. From your perspective, as a scientist and</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">talking about the urgency of it, what are the immediate solution the and how quickly do they need to be enacted?</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">You heard Ovink said this is going to be a long-term process. Certainly, the infrastructure. But what are the immediate solutions that need to go</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">into effect and lifestyle changes?</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">HAYHOE: Well, in the Climate Solutions Community, there’s often what I feel as a false debate between do we need individual action, do we need</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">lifestyle changes or do we need system wide change. My answer to that is yes, we need it all.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">If you look at the richest corporations in the world, at the top we have Walmart, which is planning to be 50 percent clean energy by 2025, and then</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">you go down the rest of the list and it’s oil and gas energy, energy oil and gas automotive, all companies who have made their money from producing,</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">processing, refining, selling or making things that burn fossil fuels.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">So, we absolutely need system wide change, but systems are made up of individuals. And so, that’s why as individuals we need change too. And</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">personally, I think one of the most important things that anybody can do about climate change is talk about it. Because when you look at public</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">opinion surveys, it turns out hardly anybody talks about it.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">Why it matters to us in the places where we live, how it’s super sizing our wild fires, our area burned, our hurricanes, our floods, our heavy rainfall</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">events, and what are some sensible things that we can do to fix it. We all need to be having that conversation today.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: Well, very quickly, your husband is in the Christian community, you both are. And you told me last time that he was having some success</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">convincing some of the pastors about this necessity and, of course, they form big part of President Trump’s base. Is he still having that success?</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">HAYHOE: Well, we’ve actually ran some experiments with evangelical colleges looking at providing information on how climate is changing, how</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">it’s affecting us and what are some things we can do to fix it. And the good news is, we found that there’s a significant difference in students’</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">opinions after they’re exposed to this information, and the most conservative ones move the furthest.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Libre Franklin";font-size:17.6px">AMANPOUR: Well, that is really interesting and really good news. Professor Hayhoe, thank you so much, indeed.</p></div>
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