<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Agree!<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Mar 10, 2019, at 9:37 PM, "<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"></div><div class="ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
</div><div class="ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I agree, Trump is most likely a criminal, a con-man, and deserving of public retribution. But what about Mitch Mcconnell whose lies endlessly support Trump? What about Idaho's own Risch, and Crapo who say nothing about this because it would require courage and integrity that they obviously lack. Risch, it is good to note is one of the wealthiest senators. </div><div class="ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">It will be difficult to restore democracy to such a corrupted system. We assume our elected officials will have our nation at their best interest, but the fact of the matter it is just class and personal wealth that motivates them. I wish I had an answer, but ridding Trump will not solve the problem. There is however, a theme in all of this: look at the Republican party. It has become the enemy of our nation, our freedom, our personal wellbeing. If this party doesn't clean it's self up, maybe the citizens should help it do so. </div><div class="ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br></div><div class="ydpf5f18372yahoo_quoted" id="ydpf5f18372yahoo_quoted_3028511985">
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Hangin' is too good for him; just let him bleed slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (Nicholas Gier)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. A couple more old photos . . . a little closer to home<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (kinda) (Tom Hansen)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. Re: Hangin' is too good for him; just let him bleed slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (Tom Hansen)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:58:40 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ngier006@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: vision2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [Vision2020] Hangin' is too good for him; just let him bleed<br></div><div dir="ltr"> slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAH=vCc5vEK_ME_7MUzKNqbWvq6ZJ04He6s+<a href="mailto:aE-MDuRFEghcvrQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">aE-MDuRFEghcvrQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>From the New Yorker, by Leo Vidal<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> The *New Yorker *suggests that when dealing with Trump, Democrats take<br></div><div dir="ltr">their cue from the way the good guys often dealt with villains in old movie<br></div><div dir="ltr">westerns. They would often say ?Hanging?s too good for him? when dealing<br></div><div dir="ltr">with an especially heinous bad guy, and that could apply to our current<br></div><div dir="ltr">president:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*?In this case, impeachment is seen as too rarefied, too technical a<br></div><div dir="ltr">proceeding to end Trumpism. Trump should be defeated at the polls; ejecting<br></div><div dir="ltr">him in any other way provides too many opportunities for after-the-fact<br></div><div dir="ltr">stab-in-the-back recriminations, and will only further convince his base<br></div><div dir="ltr">that the ?deep state? conspired against him.?*<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The *New Yorker* goes on to point out that Trump ? and his family ? are<br></div><div dir="ltr">facing multiple investigations that will continue to hurt him at the polls.<br></div><div dir="ltr">And, while going through the motions of impeachment might make some<br></div><div dir="ltr">Democrats feel good, it also might help the president by allowing him to<br></div><div dir="ltr">play the victim (which he is very good at).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Despite Support for Impeaching Trump, Democrats Will Be Better Off Waiting<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Lately we have seen increasing support for impeachment in public opinion<br></div><div dir="ltr">polls,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/06/michael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/06/michael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">especially<br></div><div dir="ltr">those taken after Michael Cohen?s testimony before Congress.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Many Democrats in Congress don?t want to wait for the Mueller report<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/09/waters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/09/waters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">to<br></div><div dir="ltr">begin impeachment proceedings, saying that there is more than enough<br></div><div dir="ltr">evidence right now<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/trump-impeachment-threshold.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/trump-impeachment-threshold.html</a>> to<br></div><div dir="ltr">start the process.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Last week we reported:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/report-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/report-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*?Democrats in the House of Representatives are planning to roll out a<br></div><div dir="ltr">lengthy series of investigations into President Donald Trump?s finances and<br></div><div dir="ltr">his administration over the next few months as part of a long-term strategy<br></div><div dir="ltr">to remove Trump from office.?*<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And there is no question that the many probes that Trump<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/03/ap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/03/ap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html</a>>,<br></div><div dir="ltr">his family, his associates, and his administration will face in coming<br></div><div dir="ltr">months will hurt the president politically.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As a matter of fact, Donald Trump may very well be indicted<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/18/report-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/18/report-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html</a>>and<br></div><div dir="ltr">charged with various crimes while he is still in office, and this could<br></div><div dir="ltr">actually lead him to resign.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/22/analysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/22/analysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It?s Better to Bleed Trump Slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So the *New Yorker* is probably correct. It is better politically for<br></div><div dir="ltr">Democrats to ?bleed Trump slowly? through upcoming indictments and public<br></div><div dir="ltr">hearings. Ultimately it may be more emotionally satisfying as well.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Donald Trump is the kind of villain for whom a long, slow, painful death is<br></div><div dir="ltr">much deserved. In his case it is indeed true that ?hanging?s too good for<br></div><div dir="ltr">him.?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Leo Vidal <<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/author/leo-vidal" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/author/leo-vidal</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am a lifelong Democrat with a passion for social justice and progressive<br></div><div dir="ltr">issues. I have degrees in writing, economics and law from the University of<br></div><div dir="ltr">Iowa.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they<br></div><div dir="ltr">shall never sit in.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-Greek proverb<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">?Enlightenment is man?s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Immaturity is the inability to use one?s understanding without guidance<br></div><div dir="ltr">from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in<br></div><div dir="ltr">lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without<br></div><div dir="ltr">guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ?Have courage to use your own<br></div><div dir="ltr">understand-ing!?that is the motto of enlightenment.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">--Immanuel Kant<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20190310/1ae0eaa0/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20190310/1ae0eaa0/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:23:28 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [Vision2020] A couple more old photos . . . a little closer<br></div><div dir="ltr"> to home (kinda)<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:DB2E600A-2920-43C3-A9E2-E34EACAF53D9@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">DB2E600A-2920-43C3-A9E2-E34EACAF53D9@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The Hansen family . . . Hartley, Iowa . . . 1915 (four years before my father was born)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/MoscowCares/Photos/Hartley/Hansen_Family_Hartley_Iowa_1915.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomandrodna.com/MoscowCares/Photos/Hartley/Hansen_Family_Hartley_Iowa_1915.jpg</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Hartley, Iowa (1915)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/MoscowCares/Photos/Hartley/Hartley_Iowa_1915.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomandrodna.com/MoscowCares/Photos/Hartley/Hartley_Iowa_1915.jpg</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sidebar: My father graduated from U of I (the one in Iowa), class of ?41. His son (me) graduated from U of I (the one in Idaho) fifty-five years later . . . class of ?96.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Tom Hansen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Moscow, Idaho<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20190310/1c527605/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20190310/1c527605/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:30:04 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ngier006@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: vision2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hangin' is too good for him; just let him<br></div><div dir="ltr"> bleed slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:BBD16956-E849-4673-A887-C379B8218BEF@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">BBD16956-E849-4673-A887-C379B8218BEF@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A worse punishment I believe to be worse than bleeding slowly . . . would be to put Trump in solitary confinement for the rest of his life . . . absolutelyNO HUMAN INTERACTION. A jail guard would place Trump?s meals in a slider connected to Trump?s cell.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.MoscowCares.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.MoscowCares.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Tom Hansen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Moscow, Idaho<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Mar 10, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ngier006@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> From the New Yorker, by Leo Vidal<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> The New Yorker suggests that when dealing with Trump, Democrats take their cue from the way the good guys often dealt with villains in old movie westerns. They would often say ?Hanging?s too good for him? when dealing with an especially heinous bad guy, and that could apply to our current president:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?In this case, impeachment is seen as too rarefied, too technical a proceeding to end Trumpism. Trump should be defeated at the polls; ejecting him in any other way provides too many opportunities for after-the-fact stab-in-the-back recriminations, and will only further convince his base that the ?deep state? conspired against him.?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> The New Yorker goes on to point out that Trump ? and his family ? are facing multiple investigations that will continue to hurt him at the polls. And, while going through the motions of impeachment might make some Democrats feel good, it also might help the president by allowing him to play the victim (which he is very good at).<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Despite Support for Impeaching Trump, Democrats Will Be Better Off Waiting<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Lately we have seen increasing support for impeachment in public opinion polls, especially those taken after Michael Cohen?s testimony before Congress.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Many Democrats in Congress don?t want to wait for the Mueller report to begin impeachment proceedings, saying that there is more than enough evidence right now to start the process.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Last week we reported:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?Democrats in the House of Representatives are planning to roll out a lengthy series of investigations into President Donald Trump?s finances and his administration over the next few months as part of a long-term strategy to remove Trump from office.?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> And there is no question that the many probes that Trump, his family, his associates, and his administration will face in coming months will hurt the president politically.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> As a matter of fact, Donald Trump may very well be indictedand charged with various crimes while he is still in office, and this could actually lead him to resign.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> It?s Better to Bleed Trump Slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> So the New Yorker is probably correct. It is better politically for Democrats to ?bleed Trump slowly? through upcoming indictments and public hearings. Ultimately it may be more emotionally satisfying as well.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Donald Trump is the kind of villain for whom a long, slow, painful death is much deserved. In his case it is indeed true that ?hanging?s too good for him.?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Leo Vidal<br></div><div dir="ltr">> I am a lifelong Democrat with a passion for social justice and progressive issues. I have degrees in writing, economics and law from the University of Iowa.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> -Greek proverb<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?Enlightenment is man?s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one?s understanding without guidance from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without guidance from another. 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