<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 9:38 PM <a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a> <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>> wrote:<span></span></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"I wish I had an answer, but ridding Trump will not solve the problem.""...</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><strong><em>Indeed. Trump is really just a symptom of massive systemic failures on multiple levels of society... Too much to explore here now.</em></strong></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span>"..look at the Republican party. It has become the enemy of our nation, our freedom, our personal wellbeing."</span></span></div><div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><strong><em>Noam Chomsky's assessment is relevant, in these excerpts from a Democracy Now interview:</em></strong></div><div><strong><br><em></em></strong></div><div><strong><em><a href="https://www.ecowatch.com/chomsky-goodman-climate-change-2426716028.html">https://www.ecowatch.com/chomsky-goodman-climate-change-2426716028.html</a></em></strong></div><div><strong><br><em></em></strong></div><div><strong><em>Noam Chomsky Explains Why 'The Republican Party Is the Most Dangerous Organization in World History' <strong><br><em></em></strong></em></strong></div><div><p style="margin-left:20px"><strong><em>Amy Goodman: I wanted to ask you about this comment that you made that the Republican Party, you said, is the most dangerous organization in world history. Can you explain?<br></em></strong></p><p style="margin-left:20px"><strong><em>Noam Chomsky: I also said that it's an extremely outrageous statement. But the question is whether it's true. I mean, has there ever been an organization in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organized human life on Earth? Not that I'm aware of. Is the Republican organization—I hesitate to call it a party—committed to that? Overwhelmingly. There isn't even any question about it.</em></strong></p></div><div><div><span><span><span><span><p style="margin-left:20px"><strong><em>Take a look at the last primary campaign—plenty of publicity, very little comment on the most significant fact. Every single candidate either denied that what is happening is happening—namely, serious move towards environmental catastrophe—or there were a couple of moderates, so-called—Jeb Bush, who said, "Maybe it's happening. We really don't know. But it doesn't matter, because fracking is working fine, so we can get more fossil fuels." Then there was the guy who was called the adult in the room, John Kasich, the one person who said, "Yes, it's true. Global warming's going on. But it doesn't matter." He's the governor of Ohio. "In Ohio, we're going to go on using coal for energy, and we're not going to apologize for it." So that's 100 percent commitment to racing towards disaster.<br></em></strong></p><p style="margin-left:20px"><strong><em>Then take a look at what's happened since. The—November 8th was the election. There was, as most of you know, I'm sure, a very important conference underway in Morocco, Marrakech, Morocco. Almost roughly 200 countries at the United Nations-sponsored conference, which was—the goal of which was to put some specific commitments into the verbal agreements that were reached at Paris in December 2015, the preceding international conference on global warming. The Paris conference did intend to reach a verifiable treaty, but they couldn't, because of the most dangerous organization in human history. The Republican Congress would not accept any commitments, so therefore the world was left with verbal promises, but no commitments. Well, last November 8th, they were going to try to carry that forward. On November 8th, in fact, there was a report by the World Meteorological Organization, a very dire analysis of the state of the environment and the likely prospects, also pointed out that we're coming perilously close to the tipping point, where—which was the goal of the—the goal of the Paris negotiations was to keep things below that—coming very close to it, and other ominous predictions. At that point, the conference pretty much stopped, because the news came in about the election.<br></em></strong></p><p style="margin-left:20px"><strong><em>And it turns out that the most powerful country in human history, the richest, most powerful, most influential, the leader of the free world, has just decided not only not to support the efforts, but actively to undermine them. So there's the whole world on one side, literally, at least trying to do something or other, not enough maybe, although some places are going pretty far, like Denmark, couple of others; and on the other side, in splendid isolation, is the country led by the most dangerous organization in human history, which is saying, "We're not part of this. In fact, we're going to try to undermine it." We're going to maximize the use of fossil fuels—could carry us past the tipping point. We're not going to provide funding for—as committed in Paris, to developing countries that are trying to do something about the climate problems. We're going to dismantle regulations that retard the impact, the devastating impact, of production of carbon dioxide and, in fact, other dangerous gases—methane, others.</em></strong></p><p style="margin-left:20px"><strong><em>---------------------------------------</em></strong><span><span><span><span><br></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-left:20px"><span><span><span><span>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<span><span><span><span><span><span><span class="gmail-post-date"><span><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></span><p style="margin-left:20px"><p style="margin-left:20px"><p style="margin-left:20px"><p style="margin-left:20px"></p></p></p></p></span></span></span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 9:38 PM <a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a> <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
</div><div class="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">I agree, Trump is most likely a criminal, a con-man, and deserving of public retribution. But what about Mitch Mcconnell whose lies endlessly support Trump? What about Idaho's own Risch, and Crapo who say nothing about this because it would require courage and integrity that they obviously lack. Risch, it is good to note is one of the wealthiest senators. </div><div class="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">It will be difficult to restore democracy to such a corrupted system. We assume our elected officials will have our nation at their best interest, but the fact of the matter it is just class and personal wealth that motivates them. I wish I had an answer, but ridding Trump will not solve the problem. There is however, a theme in all of this: look at the Republican party. It has become the enemy of our nation, our freedom, our personal wellbeing. If this party doesn't clean it's self up, maybe the citizens should help it do so. </div><div class="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydp4c04508ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydpf5f18372yahoo_quoted" id="gmail-m_-8115111600316625377ydpf5f18372yahoo_quoted_3028511985">
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On Sunday, March 10, 2019 05:46:52 PM PDT, <a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a> <<a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a>> wrote:
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<br><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:58:40 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ngier006@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: vision2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [Vision2020] Hangin' is too good for him; just let him bleed<br></div><div dir="ltr"> slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAH=vCc5vEK_ME_7MUzKNqbWvq6ZJ04He6s+<a href="mailto:aE-MDuRFEghcvrQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">aE-MDuRFEghcvrQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>From the New Yorker, by Leo Vidal<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> The *New Yorker *suggests that when dealing with Trump, Democrats take<br></div><div dir="ltr">their cue from the way the good guys often dealt with villains in old movie<br></div><div dir="ltr">westerns. They would often say ?Hanging?s too good for him? when dealing<br></div><div dir="ltr">with an especially heinous bad guy, and that could apply to our current<br></div><div dir="ltr">president:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*?In this case, impeachment is seen as too rarefied, too technical a<br></div><div dir="ltr">proceeding to end Trumpism. Trump should be defeated at the polls; ejecting<br></div><div dir="ltr">him in any other way provides too many opportunities for after-the-fact<br></div><div dir="ltr">stab-in-the-back recriminations, and will only further convince his base<br></div><div dir="ltr">that the ?deep state? conspired against him.?*<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The *New Yorker* goes on to point out that Trump ? and his family ? are<br></div><div dir="ltr">facing multiple investigations that will continue to hurt him at the polls.<br></div><div dir="ltr">And, while going through the motions of impeachment might make some<br></div><div dir="ltr">Democrats feel good, it also might help the president by allowing him to<br></div><div dir="ltr">play the victim (which he is very good at).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Despite Support for Impeaching Trump, Democrats Will Be Better Off Waiting<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Lately we have seen increasing support for impeachment in public opinion<br></div><div dir="ltr">polls,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/06/michael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/06/michael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">especially<br></div><div dir="ltr">those taken after Michael Cohen?s testimony before Congress.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Many Democrats in Congress don?t want to wait for the Mueller report<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/09/waters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/09/waters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">to<br></div><div dir="ltr">begin impeachment proceedings, saying that there is more than enough<br></div><div dir="ltr">evidence right now<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/trump-impeachment-threshold.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/trump-impeachment-threshold.html</a>> to<br></div><div dir="ltr">start the process.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Last week we reported:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/report-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/report-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*?Democrats in the House of Representatives are planning to roll out a<br></div><div dir="ltr">lengthy series of investigations into President Donald Trump?s finances and<br></div><div dir="ltr">his administration over the next few months as part of a long-term strategy<br></div><div dir="ltr">to remove Trump from office.?*<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And there is no question that the many probes that Trump<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/03/ap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/03/ap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html</a>>,<br></div><div dir="ltr">his family, his associates, and his administration will face in coming<br></div><div dir="ltr">months will hurt the president politically.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As a matter of fact, Donald Trump may very well be indicted<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/18/report-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/18/report-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html</a>>and<br></div><div dir="ltr">charged with various crimes while he is still in office, and this could<br></div><div dir="ltr">actually lead him to resign.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/22/analysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/22/analysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It?s Better to Bleed Trump Slowly<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So the *New Yorker* is probably correct. It is better politically for<br></div><div dir="ltr">Democrats to ?bleed Trump slowly? through upcoming indictments and public<br></div><div dir="ltr">hearings. Ultimately it may be more emotionally satisfying as well.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Donald Trump is the kind of villain for whom a long, slow, painful death is<br></div><div dir="ltr">much deserved. In his case it is indeed true that ?hanging?s too good for<br></div><div dir="ltr">him.?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Leo Vidal <<a href="https://www.politicususa.com/author/leo-vidal" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.politicususa.com/author/leo-vidal</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am a lifelong Democrat with a passion for social justice and progressive<br></div><div dir="ltr">issues. I have degrees in writing, economics and law from the University of<br></div><div dir="ltr">Iowa.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they<br></div><div dir="ltr">shall never sit in.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-Greek proverb<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">?Enlightenment is man?s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Immaturity is the inability to use one?s understanding without guidance<br></div><div dir="ltr">from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in<br></div><div dir="ltr">lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without<br></div><div dir="ltr">guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ?Have courage to use your own<br></div><div dir="ltr">understand-ing!?that is the motto of enlightenment.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">--Immanuel Kant<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>