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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com <vision2020-bounces@moscow.com> on behalf of Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nicholas Gier<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Hangin' is too good for him; just let him bleed slowly</font>
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<div dir="auto">A worse punishment I believe to be worse than bleeding slowly . . . would be to put Trump in solitary confinement for the rest of his life . . . absolutelyNO HUMAN INTERACTION. A jail guard would place Trump’s meals in a slider connected to
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On Mar 10, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="georgia, serif">From the New Yorker, by Leo Vidal</font>
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<div><font face="georgia, serif"> <span style="box-sizing:inherit">The <i style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">New Yorker</span> </i></span><span style="box-sizing:inherit">suggests that when dealing with Trump, Democrats take their cue
from the way the good guys often dealt with villains in old movie westerns. They would often say “Hanging’s too good for him” when dealing with an especially heinous bad guy, and that could apply to our current president:</span></font></div>
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<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><i style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif">“In this case, impeachment is seen as too rarefied, too technical a proceeding to end Trumpism. Trump
should be defeated at the polls; ejecting him in any other way provides too many opportunities for after-the-fact stab-in-the-back recriminations, and will only further convince his base that the ‘deep state’ conspired against him.”</font></span></i></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif">The <i style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">New Yorker</span></i><span style="box-sizing:inherit"></span> goes
on to point out that Trump — and his family — are facing multiple investigations that will continue to hurt him at the polls. And, while going through the motions of impeachment might make some Democrats feel good, it also might help the president by allowing
him to play the victim (which he is very good at).</font></span></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif; color:rgb(102,102,102)">Despite Support for Impeaching Trump, Democrats Will Be Better Off Waiting</span></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">Lately we have seen increasing support for impeachment in </span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F06%2Fmichael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104548828&sdata=%2B2oMzQ8Kb5sv89l4ov9WxghdC1OHElsNZVc3g2utF80%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/06/michael-cohen-trump-impeachment.html" shash="dfUoGfRElgoHefsBQQQgpQpoYWzuk43gd1zvZDoKkzsq8QxNAyKdGAsIBGfX61xVUh3MdAHD5ETdmZTtv20uVZPClXT/O6NibBRfPsPFQuPFhILYdH6++S8dR85lP6wlyqOYFsWrGqrNEmbN2RNEe33ndoVYL88wz/t1TjRYdbE=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">public
opinion polls,</span></a><span style="box-sizing:inherit"> especially those taken after Michael Cohen’s testimony before Congress.</span></font></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">Many Democrats in Congress </span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F09%2Fwaters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104558839&sdata=qzAV%2B%2FSlUqd%2FeqvEjerGGAwP%2Bgayv%2Fi1sfpcgZiTyVI%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/09/waters-democrats-mueller-report-impeachment.html" shash="r5o+WAF10aQQtt5e9MYJwHLo2CgzuNL1PDeop6EiDn7ZwEEUv6xh8crX+i2WOCTe2O6HY0tBR1mbCIEAhZvuPMGmZBirzAZeHrc3rCq8/YJy1SX6jED0Q4JePs8Q5oq9XhkebpgPXSg+wctsCgrHRbZM+LDKFsc6ExXDk8d1c48=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">don’t
want to wait for the Mueller report</span></a><span style="box-sizing:inherit"> to begin impeachment proceedings, saying that there is </span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F04%2Ftrump-impeachment-threshold.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104568851&sdata=uADWL0FiITLAJV9A%2Beg8Dz9%2BHZRhCVkk4tjldxoyk5w%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/trump-impeachment-threshold.html" shash="kaRB4vWdpliocp4xGAVySZ1dG3YgLw08i72t568PICG2qdvyrjJmHKBWhLL0sYmHUxz9U2fJl+Q6gJYb2KiATvtX062e71DCou858TcRULhIZPeeGbBQsMPfiQpMdUwr7z1n1eZ803MUIBaZ4gpVeMsY55yrlNDgc/+dsxieRUo=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">more
than enough evidence right now</span></a><span style="box-sizing:inherit"> to start the process.</span></font></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">Last week </span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F04%2Freport-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104578868&sdata=HqqCQj6SjAkaYHzLQPZdU5Z3s1HYTawG5bCR9th8ROU%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/04/report-house-democrats-plan-to-bleed-trump-slowly-with-investigations.html" shash="og2v72MCYZW8Par5f+3YaVXJCuXnC3K1K0seW8VzQTeC/nzJzj3amc2ApkCU9Ne/OC8XGF80aSVHroPfRTJiqX7XTotj7GS2IU0sPRKpQY04i6POx2mDiZEnXgTNHac64x1g/HKfNyarq7CVOLdDZRT48UIqxEody4/YV9iykKU=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">we
reported:</span></a></font></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><i style="box-sizing:inherit"><span style="box-sizing:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif">“Democrats in the House of Representatives are planning to roll out a lengthy series of investigations
into President Donald Trump’s finances and his administration over the next few months as part of a long-term strategy to remove Trump from office.”</font></span></i></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">And there is no question that </span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F03%2F03%2Fap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104588867&sdata=3Tw5gyWM%2BipMZjG3L3OD6H5MMsTdhiY7OHNER3JOgPo%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/03/ap-house-dems-begin-new-probes-that-could-end-trumps-presidency.html" shash="sqzixu3rgmGNoseNV3P3rH0773nC7AYirSAOgqVOldTSY1MKjU4kcZncS2L3tPRrr+iHBAWcQ1WY9sCjm8SdlLRbQdPcJmwAjLt2UtFm8QMZpOp/AxmhaJLH3BBlvzJ+CCIp4WTdh0OJBmteUSVohhoLgIGt7Jl35WuowgqWE4Q=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">the
many probes that Trump</span></a><span style="box-sizing:inherit">, his family, his associates, and his administration will face in coming months will hurt the president politically.</span></font></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">As a matter of fact, Donald Trump </span><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F02%2F18%2Freport-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104598873&sdata=gg1d8eEKhuz40X%2BOnF5rx4L%2FmIRkzu6TKDUWsmTdpXI%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/18/report-trump-may-be-indicted-by-the-sdny-as-they-probe-his-crimes.html" shash="VRvwEa+hT3uRYfoH+TbXtlQ4v7zzcu7IpvUtsZyDOIVzYfrS40wGLTIJgXIoncNSCFofN4hOkW07LJL9CNDi7M3+ckbqxHehkpt/PnAfJmTjgVdqwgJQTY4G+ZT24Lep6PuXYhqJrnSMQTUVG9S7+5LFZxfseXefR+0Ju5fURMs=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">may
very well be indicted</span></a><span style="box-sizing:inherit">and charged with various crimes while he is still in office, and this could actually</span><span style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicususa.com%2F2019%2F02%2F22%2Fanalysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C03a62d8fb75c4e88529f08d6a5bb0bb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636878620104608884&sdata=60vDRAIAmmv4VOA9zpANLdwgQiC079HXzW7xmFD%2Bi3M%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/22/analysis-imminent-indictment-may-soon-cause-trump-to-resign.html" shash="jsIIlw2YwKdQJklJEzyDZJPSgOkR6flZbAJrkfLVIeVfDVmUjyuliL8oOUNCK2WeJbO2Q5ltn2NIhxEhktdlHhUENbmChd6qDENvBxt/KxB6yZRXAQne/2CWXb28ngtmAsAdKmW+cNFP9WfoD94ISsyNkFyeQJ1/WfotU/mPypk=" style="box-sizing:inherit; background-color:transparent; color:rgb(34,34,34); text-decoration-line:none"> lead
him to resign.</a></span></font></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif; color:rgb(102,102,102)">It’s Better to Bleed Trump Slowly</span></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="box-sizing:inherit">So the <em style="box-sizing:inherit">New Yorker</em></span> is probably correct. It is better politically for Democrats to “bleed
Trump slowly” through upcoming indictments and public hearings. Ultimately it may be more emotionally satisfying as well.</font></p>
<p style="box-sizing:inherit; margin:0px 0px 1.5em; padding:0px"><span style="box-sizing:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif">Donald Trump is the kind of villain for whom a long, slow, painful death is much deserved. In his case it is indeed true that “hanging’s
too good for him.”</font></span></p>
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