<div dir="ltr"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<span></span></div></div><div><br></div><div>"I completely disagree with the notion that we should be concerned about Obama speaking up. About time, I say, and it wasn’t Obama that did away with precedent. Precedents lie in wreckage all around us. "<span><span><br></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for these comments, Sunil.</div><div><br></div><div>I must be misunderstanding someone, because it appears that objections are being raised to President Obama publicly addressing the behavior of a person who is a serial pathological liar, and utilized lies to deceive the public and "win" the White House. Either a serial liar or someone so misinformed and uneducated they have no business being the leader of the free world...</div><div><br></div><div>I disagree with many of Obama's decisions as president. But to take him to task for speaking out on a foreign policy decision which is opposed by all the nations who signed the JCPA is arguably expecting him to renege on his moral obligation to not remain silent (silence equals complicity) when this decision could lead to more war in the Middle East. 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Darrell I’m not talking about you’re not commenting much. I don’t know what you say elsewhere. I’m addressing your comment about president being broken in and unhealthy way and your focus on Obama statements yesterday.
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I completely disagree with the notion that we should be concerned about Obama speaking up. About time, I say, and it wasn’t Obama that did away with precedent. Precedents lie in wreckage all around us.
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I don’t see much value in that particular precedent. If you or Dan think Obama is lying, take him to task for that. Respect for precedent is a cudgel used against Democrats. There’s no reason for them to care about it, Republicans stop worrying about precedents
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And in this case in particular: Obama is supposed to follow the precedent that silences him? For the guy who spread the racist lie that he was not a citizen? Why should he remained silent? How do the American people benefit from his silence? Silence doesn’t
leave a void. Trump is willing to fill that space with lies. <br>
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No, it’s time for honest and accurate speech.
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</span><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:56:21 AM<div><div class="gmail-h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Carscallen; vision2020<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sunil: If your note is directed at me not commenting much, please save it. I have commented plenty about my dislike of a variety of unhealthy breaks with tradition and precedent. Just not on this particular forum.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_6366943058125206933x_gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <span dir="ltr">
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<div>This is the unhealthy break with tradition and precedent? Not the things that Trump has been saying for the last year and a half or longer? What he’s been doing?
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That’s like complaining about the color of the lifeboats on the Titanic, and remaining silent about the more important problem that there aren’t enough lifeboats .
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:00:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Carscallen; vision2020
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<div>Yes, we are both talking style over substance. Given the current state of politics in our nation, style seems to trump substance in importance.</div>
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<div>We are also talking precedent being broken in a perhaps unhealthy way.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_6366943058125206933x_m_3026582904106773045x_gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Sunil Ramalingam
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<div>You’re both talking style over substance. I’ll give you an Obama choice I find beyond unseemly. His decision not to prosecute torturers in the Bush Administration has allowed the nomination of a war criminal for the position of head of the CIA. That’s
not unseemly, that’s repulsive and disgusting.
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:34:42 AM<br>
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<div dir="auto">I’m with Darrell on this.
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<div>Doesn’t matter to me who is currently in the office, the previous guy commenting on his activities is a little unseemly.</div>
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<div>I don’t recall anyone ever doing that. Then again Grover Cleveland might have, since he did serve non-concurrent terms. Of course that was just a little before my time.<br>
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On May 9, 2018, at 10:22, Darrell Keim <<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank">keim153@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Without commenting on the issue at hand, I have an observation. </div>
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<div>Can anyone recall a past president so publicly rebuking/countering his successor on a major policy change?</div>
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