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<p>Thank you, Sunil, for putting it in context. Vote!!! This time it
is REALLY Important!!</p>
<p>Debi R-S<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/9/2018 4:04 PM, Sunil Ramalingam
wrote:<br>
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Darrell I’m not talking about you’re not commenting much. I don’t
know what you say elsewhere. I’m addressing your comment about
president being broken in and unhealthy way and your focus on
Obama statements yesterday.
<br>
<br>
I completely disagree with the notion that we should be concerned
about Obama speaking up. About time, I say, and it wasn’t Obama
that did away with precedent. Precedents lie in wreckage all
around us.
<br>
<br>
I don’t see much value in that particular precedent. If you or Dan
think Obama is lying, take him to task for that. Respect for
precedent is a cudgel used against Democrats. There’s no reason
for them to care about it, Republicans stop worrying about
precedents and norms a while back. <br>
<br>
And in this case in particular: Obama is supposed to follow the
precedent that silences him? For the guy who spread the racist lie
that he was not a citizen? Why should he remained silent? How do
the American people benefit from his silence? Silence doesn’t
leave a void. Trump is willing to fill that space with lies. <br>
<br>
No, it’s time for honest and accurate speech.
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:56:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Carscallen; vision2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Obama Responds to Trump's Iran
Pull-Out
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<div dir="ltr">Sunil: If your note is directed at me not
commenting much, please save it. I have commented plenty
about my dislike of a variety of unhealthy breaks with
tradition and precedent. Just not on this particular forum.</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:23 AM,
Sunil Ramalingam <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>This is the unhealthy break with tradition and
precedent? Not the things that Trump has been saying for
the last year and a half or longer? What he’s been
doing?
<br>
<br>
That’s like complaining about the color of the lifeboats
on the Titanic, and remaining silent about the more
important problem that there aren’t enough lifeboats .
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moz-do-not-send="true">keim152@gmail.com</a> <<a
href="mailto:keim152@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">keim152@gmail.com</a>> on
behalf of Darrell Keim <<a
href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">keim153@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:00:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sunil Ramalingam<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Carscallen; vision2020
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Obama Responds to
Trump's Iran Pull-Out</div>
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<div>Yes, we are both talking style over
substance. Given the current state of
politics in our nation, style seems to trump
substance in importance.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are also talking precedent being broken
in a perhaps unhealthy way.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(pun unintentional but perhaps fitting)</div>
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class="x_m_3026582904106773045x_gmail_quote">On
Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Sunil Ramalingam
<span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>You’re both talking style over
substance. I’ll give you an Obama choice I
find beyond unseemly. His decision not to
prosecute torturers in the Bush
Administration has allowed the nomination
of a war criminal for the position of head
of the CIA. That’s not unseemly, that’s
repulsive and disgusting.
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 9, 2018
10:34:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> vision2020<span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Obama
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<div dir="auto">I’m with Darrell on
this.
<div><br>
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<div>Doesn’t matter to me who is
currently in the office, the
previous guy commenting on his
activities is a little unseemly.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I don’t recall anyone ever
doing that. Then again Grover
Cleveland might have, since he did
serve non-concurrent terms. Of
course that was just a little
before my time.<br>
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On May 9, 2018, at 10:22,
Darrell Keim <<a
href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">keim153@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>Without commenting on
the issue at hand, I have
an observation. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Can anyone recall a
past president so publicly
rebuking/countering his
successor on a major
policy change?</div>
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class="x_m_3026582904106773045x_m_6453736512443719696x_gmail_quote">On
Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:12
AM, Nicholas Gier
<span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank"
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<p>
Former President
Barack Obama
released a statement
after Trump withdrew
the US from the Iran
nuclear deal that
amounted to a point
by point debunking
of Trump’s
falsehoods about the
agreement.</p>
<span></span>
<p>
The statement
provided to
PoliticusUSA by
Obama’s office is
lengthy but
important:</p>
<span></span>
<p>
There are few issues
more important to
the security of the
United States than
the potential spread
of nuclear weapons,
or the potential for
even more
destructive war in
the Middle East.
That’s why the
United States
negotiated the Joint
Comprehensive Plan
of Action (JCPOA) in
the first place.</p>
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<p>
The reality is
clear. The JCPOA is
working – that is a
view shared by our
European allies,
independent experts,
and the current U.S.
Secretary of
Defense. The JCPOA
is in America’s
interest – it has
significantly rolled
back Iran’s nuclear
program. And the
JCPOA is a model for
what diplomacy can
accomplish – its
inspections and
verification regime
is precisely what
the United States
should be working to
put in place with
North Korea. Indeed,
at a time when we
are all rooting for
diplomacy with North
Korea to succeed,
walking away from
the JCPOA risks
losing a deal that
accomplishes – with
Iran – the very
outcome that we are
pursuing with the
North Koreans.
</p>
<span></span>
<p>
That is why today’s
announcement is so
misguided. Walking
away from the JCPOA
turns our back on
America’s closest
allies, and an
agreement that our
country’s leading
diplomats,
scientists, and
intelligence
professionals
negotiated. In a
democracy, there
will always be
changes in policies
and priorities from
one Administration
to the next. But the
consistent flouting
of agreements that
our country is a
party to risks
eroding America’s
credibility, and
puts us at odds with
the world’s major
powers.</p>
<span></span>
<p>
Debates in our
country should be
informed by facts,
especially debates
that have proven to
be divisive. So it’s
important to review
several facts about
the JCPOA.</p>
<span></span>
<p>
First, the JCPOA was
not just an
agreement between my
Administration and
the Iranian
government. After
years of building an
international
coalition that could
impose crippling
sanctions on Iran,
we reached the JCPOA
together with the
United Kingdom,
France, Germany, the
European Union,
Russia, China, and
Iran. It is a
multilateral arms
control deal,
unanimously endorsed
by a United Nations
Security Council
Resolution.
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<p>
Second, the JCPOA
has worked in
rolling back Iran’s
nuclear program. For
decades, Iran had
steadily advanced
its nuclear program,
approaching the
point where they
could rapidly
produce enough
fissile material to
build a bomb. The
JCPOA put a lid on
that breakout
capacity. Since the
JCPOA was
implemented, Iran
has destroyed the
core of a reactor
that could have
produced
weapons-grade
plutonium; removed
two-thirds of its
centrifuges (over
13,000) and placed
them under
international
monitoring; and
eliminated 97
percent of its
stockpile of
enriched uranium –
the raw materials
necessary for a
bomb. So by any
measure, the JCPOA
has imposed strict
limitations on
Iran’s nuclear
program and achieved
real results.
</p>
<span></span>
<p>
Third, the JCPOA
does not rely on
trust – it is rooted
in the most
far-reaching
inspections and
verification regime
ever negotiated in
an arms control
deal. Iran’s nuclear
facilities are
strictly monitored.
International
monitors also have
access to Iran’s
entire nuclear
supply chain, so
that we can catch
them if they cheat.
Without the JCPOA,
this monitoring and
inspections regime
would go away.
</p>
<span></span>
<p>
Fourth, Iran is
complying with the
JCPOA. That was not
simply the view of
my Administration.
The United States
intelligence
community has
continued to find
that Iran is meeting
its responsibilities
under the deal, and
has reported as much
to Congress. So have
our closest allies,
and the
international agency
responsible for
verifying Iranian
compliance – the
International Atomic
Energy Agency
(IAEA).
</p>
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<p>
Fifth, the JCPOA
does not expire. The
prohibition on Iran
ever obtaining a
nuclear weapon is
permanent. Some of
the most important
and intrusive
inspections codified
by the JCPOA are
permanent. Even as
some of the
provisions in the
JCPOA do become less
strict with time,
this won’t happen
until ten, fifteen,
twenty, or
twenty-five years
into the deal, so
there is little
reason to put those
restrictions at risk
today.</p>
<span></span>
<p>
Finally, the JCPOA
was never intended
to solve all of our
problems with Iran.
We were clear-eyed
that Iran engages in
destabilizing
behavior – including
support for
terrorism, and
threats toward
Israel and its
neighbors. But
that’s precisely why
it was so important
that we prevent Iran
from obtaining a
nuclear weapon.
Every aspect of
Iranian behavior
that is troubling is
far more dangerous
if their nuclear
program is
unconstrained. Our
ability to confront
Iran’s destabilizing
behavior – and to
sustain a unity of
purpose with our
allies – is
strengthened with
the JCPOA, and
weakened without it.
</p>
<span></span>
<p>
Because of these
facts, I believe
that the decision to
put the JCPOA at
risk without any
Iranian violation of
the deal is a
serious mistake.
Without the JCPOA,
the United States
could eventually be
left with a losing
choice between a
nuclear-armed Iran
or another war in
the Middle East. We
all know the dangers
of Iran obtaining a
nuclear weapon. It
could embolden an
already dangerous
regime; threaten our
friends with
destruction; pose
unacceptable dangers
to America’s own
security; and
trigger an arms race
in the world’s most
dangerous region. If
the constraints on
Iran’s nuclear
program under the
JCPOA are lost, we
could be hastening
the day when we are
faced with the
choice between
living with that
threat, or going to
war to prevent it.
</p>
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<p>
In a dangerous
world, America must
be able to rely in
part on strong,
principled diplomacy
to secure our
country. We have
been safer in the
years since we
achieved the JCPOA,
thanks in part to
the work of our
diplomats, many
members of Congress,
and our allies.
Going forward, I
hope that Americans
continue to speak
out in support of
the kind of strong,
principled,
fact-based, and
unifying leadership
that can best secure
our country and
uphold our
responsibilities
around the globe.
</p>
<span></span>
<h2>
Obama made a
critical point</h2>
<span></span>
<p>
Much of Trump’s
argument for killing
the Iran deal was
based on the false
premise that the
deal was a failure
if it didn’t address
all of the problems
with Iran’s
behavior, but the
nuclear deal was
never meant to do
that. By design, it
dealt with Iran’s
nuclear program.
Republicans have
used this rhetorical
device on the issue
of health care, for
example, as well. It
is a false argument
that seeks to turn
something successful
into a failure.</p>
<span></span>
<p>
It is rare for a
former president to
come out with such a
strong statement
against an action
taken by a current
president. All
evidence and even
members of Trump’s
own administration
say that the deal
was working.
</p>
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List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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