<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div id="gmail-m_-8931181423954069719yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478851989895_62718" dir="ltr">This is exactly why the brilliant framers came up with the Electoral College as a check / balance of not allowing Congress to select a president (except in an Electoral College tie) and not allowing
a president to be elected solely by popular vote which can be heavily skewed by the more populous states. Hillary and company were well aware of how the system elects a president and yet they still shockingly blew Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to
a hack like Trump who didn't even have the support of his own party.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_-8931181423954069719qtdSeparateBR" id="gmail-m_-8931181423954069719yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478851989895_62454"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>"... not allowing a president to be elected solely by popular vote which can be heavily skewed by the more populous states."<br><br></div><div>By this logic, perhaps we should elect Idaho's governor in a manner that prevents Ada county from a "heavily skewed" impact. I've never heard any complaints that Idaho's governor is elected based on a popular vote, one vote one person, regardless of whether they are from a heavily populated county, like Ada, or a much smaller populated county like Latah. <br><br></div><div>Perhaps you are just stirring the pot here, because it seems incredible to defend a system that would allow a president to be chosen based on winning 21.8% of the vote, and grants votes in some states far more weight than in other states, unless not fully supporting democratic one person one vote principles.<br><br></div><div>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>----------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Text below from article at website below:<br></div><div><br><div class="gmail-timestamp"><font size="4"><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tyler-lewis/why-we-should-abolish-the_1_b_8961256.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tyler-lewis/why-we-should-abolish-the_1_b_8961256.html</a><br></font></div><font size="4"><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/tyler-lewis">
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<span class="gmail-author-card__details-container">Tyler Lewis</span><br></font><div class="gmail-content-list-component gmail-mt-paragraph gmail-text"><p><font size="4"><strong>3) A Person Can Become President By Winning Only 21.8% of the Popular Vote</strong><br></font>
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As previously stated, the Electoral College is a winner take all system.
If a candidate wins the popular vote of a state by a just a single
vote, he generally receives all the electoral votes of that state
(excluding Maine and Nebraska). Combine this with the fact that smaller
states receive more electoral votes per person than larger states, and
it becomes possible to win the presidency by winning just 21.8% of the
American public’s vote. </font></p></div><font size="4">
</font><div class="gmail-content-list-component gmail-mt-paragraph gmail-text"><p><font size="4">According to a <a href="https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/winning-an-election-with-22-of-the-popular-vote/">study</a>
done by Jesse Ruderman, “A presidential candidate could be elected with
as a little as 21.8% of the popular vote by getting just over 50% of
the votes in DC and each of 39 small states. This is true even when
everyone votes and there are only two candidates. In other words, a
candidate could lose with 78.2% of the popular vote by getting just
under 50% in small states and 100% in large states.”</font></p></div><font size="4">--------------------------------------------<br></font></div><div><font size="4">Each person's vote should be weighted the same, unless you object somehow to fair representative democracy. The electoral college sometimes dilutes the votes of US citizens when we get an outcome like Bush v. Gore 2000, or Trump v. Hillary 2016, as this excerpt from the article further explains: <span class="gmail-author-card__details-container"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail-author-card__details-container"><a class="gmail-author-card__details__link" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/tyler-lewis"><span class="gmail-author-card__details__name"></span>
</a></span></font><div class="gmail-content-list-component gmail-mt-paragraph gmail-text"><p><font size="4">As <a href="http://fairvote.org">fairvote.org</a>
explains, “For instance, each individual vote in Wyoming counts nearly
four times as much in the Electoral College as each individual vote in
Texas. This is because Wyoming has three (3) electoral votes for a
population of 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 Census Bureau estimates) and
Texas has thirty-two (32) electoral votes for a population of almost 25
million. By dividing the population by electoral votes, we can see that
Wyoming has one “elector” for every 177,556 people and Texas has one
“elector” for about every 715,499.”</font></p></div><font size="4">
</font><div class="gmail-content-list-component gmail-mt-paragraph gmail-text"><p><font size="4">By giving
smaller states more electoral votes per person than larger states,
disparity was created across the nation in regards to the significance
of each citizens’ vote. With the Electoral College, the value of a vote
depends on what state a person lives in.</font></p></div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:helveticaneue,helvetica neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div class="gmail-m_-8931181423954069719qtdSeparateBR" id="gmail-m_-8931181423954069719yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1478851989895_62454">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Nicholas Gier <<a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" target="_blank">ngier006@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> vision2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 11, 2016 11:31 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] Hillary Won by 2 Million Votes! More than Gore, Nixon, Kennedy<br>
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<div>Hillary Clinton didn’t just win the popular vote. She won it by a substantial margin.
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By the time all the ballots are counted, she seems likely to be ahead by more than 2 million votes and more than 1.5 percentage points, <a rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(50,104,145);text-decoration:underline" href="http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=pMJKdIFVI6pehkIEQ5/wRr6MZeaebV9ey6JTj6EssbnkGPFwrHQAyyTmM3EOBy+A6iORXC/pWMs=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0®i_id=29749741" target="_blank">according
to</a> my Times colleague Nate Cohn. She will have won by a wider percentage margin than not only Al Gore in <a rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(50,104,145);text-decoration:underline" href="http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=gTrU3W/9enTENHkvqbCdzZgkiTHF9UbCDD4W0GhG39P5Eyf7TltaK0BpBJHmP9mI6/jeDZp5NGKCpVGSwJxHiepw3hduVzKff3iiQHZx7X4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0®i_id=29749741" target="_blank">2000</a> but
also Richard Nixon in <a rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(50,104,145);text-decoration:underline" href="http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=gTrU3W/9enTENHkvqbCdzZgkiTHF9UbCDD4W0GhG39P5Eyf7TltaK0BpBJHmP9mI6PkjHcl220G0ujhkK0RiYepw3hduVzKff3iiQHZx7X4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0®i_id=29749741" target="_blank">1968</a> and
John F. Kennedy in <a rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(50,104,145);text-decoration:underline" href="http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=gTrU3W/9enTENHkvqbCdzZgkiTHF9UbCDD4W0GhG39P5Eyf7TltaK0BpBJHmP9mI6PkjHcl220GCpVGSwJxHiepw3hduVzKff3iiQHZx7X4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0®i_id=29749741" target="_blank">1960</a>.
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