<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>You may be on to something there, Mr. N.</div><div><br></div><div>For the life of me, I cannot recall the day I decided to be heterosexual.</div><div><br></div><div>Being a late bloomer, I think it was back . . . sometime during the first season . . . of <i>I Dream of Jeannie. </i>Or was it that Barbara Eden merely served to release my inner lesbian? This is all so confusing.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom "a lesbian trapped in a man's body" Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div></div></div><div><br>On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>) <<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Most mental <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/health" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at health" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">health</a> professionals
would agree that their <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/religion" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at religious" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">religious</a> beliefs
should have little direct relevance in their professional interactions. Yet according to Dr. Darrel Ray, too many professional therapists are injecting religious and <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/magical-thinking" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at supernatural" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">supernatural</a> concepts
into the care they provide clients. This problem is only getting worse, he says, as fundamentalist colleges produce more graduates who see religious proselytizing as an acceptable means of “treating” clients. Dr. Ray, an author whose books address the intersection
of psychology and religion, has responded by launching the <a href="http://www.seculartherapy.org/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Secular Therapist Project,<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> a web site that tries to connect potential clients with therapists who will adhere to secular, science-based treatment and avoid supernatural and theistic approaches. The following is a recent exchange I had with Dr. Ray.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: What is the Secular Therapist Project </strong><strong class="">and why do you say it is needed?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Darrel Ray: After I published my books <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sex-God-Religion-Distorts-Sexuality/dp/0970950543" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><em class="">Sex
and God</em><span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a>, and <a href="http://www.thegodvirus.net/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><em class="">The God Virus</em><span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a>, I was overwhelmed with requests from people asking for help finding a secular therapist. I began helping people and soon found that it is almost impossible to determine if a therapist is truly secular and uses evidence-based
methods. A therapist may be well-trained, he or she may have received advanced degrees from the best schools, but that does not guarantee they are not influenced by belief in supernatural beings or New Age ideas. Many people wrote me saying they went to a
therapist for months only to have the therapist recommend that they pray, go back to church, or use some New Age method.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: Aren’t therapists trained to keep their beliefs out of the <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/therapy" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at therapy" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">therapy</a>sessions?
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: Not necessarily. Certainly, the best schools train therapists to avoid imposing their beliefs on the client, but right now there are hundreds of religious schools graduating thousands of Christian counselors,
licensable in most states. Graduates from <a href="http://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Liberty University<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a>, Regent or <a href="http://www.oru.edu/whole_person/education.php" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Oral Roberts University<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> are taught to incorporate religion into their counseling. <a href="http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcou/admissions/forms/goals.htm" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Regent
University<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> and others have Ph.D. and Psy.D. programs in clinical psychology. How is it possible to get solid clinical training from a university that insists on teaching Pat Robertson’s theology to all students? This is the guy who thinks
God sends hurricanes to <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/punishment" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at punish" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">punish</a> cities
for tolerating gays.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Graduates of religious schools look like any other Ph.D. or MSW to the lay person, yet they are an integral part of the evangelical right’s attempt to usurp the field of counseling in the service of their religious
agenda. Graduates of these universities are highly unlikely to keep their religious views out of the therapeutic relationship. Do you think a gay or lesbian person will receive effective treatment from a Regent’s University Ph.D.? Could an atheist get evidence-based
treatment from a graduate of Liberty University? It is possible, but why would you risk your time, money, and emotional health on someone who probably prays and reads the Bible more than they read professional journals?</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Even someone who graduated from Michigan State or UCLA may not be secular. The school a person attends says little about their supernatural beliefs. Once a person is in practice, they may start using untested and non-evidence
based methods. Methods that have not seen clinical testing and peer review.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: How prevalent is this problem?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: Well, ten or twenty years ago, these religion-based programs did not exist. In the area of clinical psychology, most schools had clearly secular programs. They placed a high value on developing a non-religious
relationship in the clinical setting. Those days are gone. While no one can really know how much religion influences a given counselor, we can say that hundreds of religious schools have developed counseling programs in the last twenty years, many in the <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/marriage" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at marriage" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">marriage</a> and
family counseling area. It is hard to say, but there could be more licensable counselors graduating from religious schools than are graduating from secular programs right now. In any event, there are thousands of counselors who think Jesus or other supernatural
approaches are the answer. There were far fewer only a few years ago.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: So how does the Secular Therapy Project address this problem?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: Han Hills and I developed a process and procedure for helping people find secular therapists through our website, <a href="http://www.seculartherapy.org/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">seculartherapy.org.<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> It is free and confidential for the therapist and the client. It is like the popular <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/mating" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at dating" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">dating</a> sites <a href="http://www.okcupid.com/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">OKCupid.com<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> or <a href="http://www.pof.com/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Plentyoffish.com<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a>. The therapist registers and describes his or her practice on the public part of their profile, along with a checklist of conditions they are qualified to work on. The therapist can reveal as much or as little as they like. No
other information is available to the client; no email, no phone, no address, no websites. We want to protect the <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/identity" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at identity" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">identity</a> of
the therapist as much as possible.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: Why so much emphasis on confidentiality and protecting the identity of the therapist?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: Imagine that you are a secular psychologist or social worker in Oklahoma City. Most clients that come to you are religious and many of your referral sources are ministers or churches. If you openly advertised that
you are secular, half your clients would leave and many of your referral sources would dry up. One therapist that I know in a major southern city gets 75% of her referrals from local ministers and churches. She used to be a strong Christian. She taught Sunday
school for sixteen years, but is now an atheist. She wants to wean her practice away from religious sources, so she registered with us. She needs to keep under the radar or she would lose most of her current patients.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Another therapist gets many referrals from the courts. The majority of judges in his county are very religious. In his state, judges are elected, so they often cater to the wishes of the religious community. If the
community learned that a judge was referring people to a secular therapist, the judge could lose the next election. As a result, the therapist has to keep a low profile and cannot reveal that he is an atheist to the judges or to the community.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Many of my therapist friends in New York, San Francisco or Washington, DC, often say that it is not a problem in their area. I would beg to differ. While San Francisco may not have ten Christian counselors per square
mile, like Atlanta, it does have therapists who espouse New Age and other “Woo Woo” methods that are non-evidence based. Therapists in those areas also get referrals from religious judges, ministers and quasi-religious organizations like Catholic hospitals.
Being an “out atheist” might endanger those referral sources.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: If it is often problematic for a therapist to be “out” as an atheist or secularist, is there any danger that a client could game the system and “out” a therapist in their community?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: I'm sure there is. There is no perfect system. At the same time, we are using a model that dating sites have used for a decade or more. Just like
<a href="http://Match.com" class="">Match.com</a>, we cannot be responsible for what happens, but we do our best to keep things safe for all parties. So far, we have seen no evidence of any “gaming of the system.”</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: So you have a database of therapists, but how do you guarantee that they use evidence-based methods?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: First of all, we can’t guarantee anything, but we do have a process in place to screen and approve therapists. Four very experienced secular therapists look at each application and vote on whether they appear
to use secular methods. We can only go on what a therapist submits to us, what they have on their web page and any client recommendations. We really like getting therapist referrals from clients in the secular community.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: How do clients use the system?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: The client can search our database and find a therapist close by and correspond through our system. The client’s information is confidential as well. The therapist can only know what the client tells them. Client
and therapist correspond through the system a few times until they feel comfortable and think there is a good fit. Then they can reveal enough to make an appointment or arrange a phone call.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><strong class="">Q: How can mental health professionals and others help or get involved?</strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Ray: If you are a secular therapist, please register with us and tell your colleagues. If you are a patient of a therapist who seems to use secular and evidence-based methods, ask them to register. Finally, if you
are looking for a therapist, look in our database first. Registering as a client is simple and confidential. Within minutes, you will know if there are any therapists close to you. If there are none close to you, many of our therapists will do distance counseling
by phone or Skype.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">You can also help by donating to the project. We run this on a shoestring budget and would welcome your donations. Just go to <a href="http://recoveringfromreligion.org/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">recoveringfromreligion.org<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> and hit the donate button. You can then say that you want your donation to go to the Secular Therapy project. Secular Therapy is an outreach program of Recovering from Religion, which I founded in 2009.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">About Dr. Darrel Ray:</p>
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">Darrel Ray is the author of several books, most recently <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sex-God-Religion-Distorts-Sexuality/dp/0970950543" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sex
and God: How Religion Distorts Sexuality<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> (2012), and <a href="http://www.thegodvirus.net/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The God Virus<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a> (2009). He received an Ed.D. in counseling psychology from Peabody College of Vanderbilt University in 1978 and an MA in religion in 1974 from Scarritt College for Christian Workers. He practiced in a clinical setting for 10
years working with children, adolescents and families. In 1986 he moved into organizational psychology and became a pioneer in the social psychology of <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/teamwork" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at teamwork" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">teamwork</a> and <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/leadership" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at leadership" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">leadership</a>development.
In 2009 he founded <a href="http://Recoveringfromreligion.org" class="">Recoveringfromreligion.org</a> (RR) with the mission of helping people over come the <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/trauma" class="inline-links topic-link" title="Psychology Today looks at trauma" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); padding-bottom: 2px;">trauma</a> of
leaving religion. RR is now a worldwide organization headed by <a href="http://recoveringfromreligion.org/pages/JerryDeWitt" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Jerry
DeWitt<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
is external)</span></span></a>, the first graduate of the <a href="http://clergyproject.org/" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Clergy Project<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
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<a href="http://Seculartherapy.org" class="">Seculartherapy.org</a> is an outreach project of RR.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class=""><a href="https://twitter.com/ahadave" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Follow David Niose on Twitter<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
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<p style="margin: 0px 0px 24px;" class="">David Niose's new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nonbeliever-Nation-Rise-Secular-Americans/dp/023033895X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352342389&sr=1-1&keywords=nonbeliever+nation" class="ext" target="_blank" style="-webkit-transition: color 0.2s; transition: color 0.2s; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Nonbeliever
Nation: The Rise of Secular Americans<span class="ext" style="background-image: url(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/all/modules/contrib/extlink/extlink_s.png); width: 10px; height: 10px; padding-right: 12px; text-decoration: none; background-position: 2px 50%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;"><span class="element-invisible" style="clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px); overflow: hidden; height: 1px; position: absolute !important;">(link
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