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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Tom wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>“</span>No. I do not consider fetuses to be children . . . and strongly support the continued legalization of abortion as a final option.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Exactly – and that’s why Gary wasn’t due an apology. The number of legal abortions doesn’t relate to “children” as Gary wants us to believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Further, equating the number of abortions to the murder of living Jews is beyond offensive, no matter how many times the anti-choice – and therefore anti-Constitution and anti-science – fringe try to make the argument.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Finally, I’d be remiss if I didn’t also mention the disturbing irony of those anti-choice anti-Constitution anti-science people getting their undies in a twist about reproductive freedom while not giving a rip about already born children. The majority of that crowd is also all for telling the government to keep its nose out of “parental” decisions about things like physical abuse, sex abuse, medical treatment . . . and being kept out of the clutches of serial pedophiles who happen to procreate to grow their own victims.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Forcing women to be mandatory breeders doesn’t infringe on “parental” decisions, but laws protecting living breathing already born children -- protections that make them more than mere chattel property -- do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What a load.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Compassion is the basis of all morality.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>~ Arthur Schopenhuaer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen@moscow.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund <v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm><br><b>Cc:</b> <vision2020@moscow.com> <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Victims and Perpetrators<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>My argument did not concern criminalizing/legalization of abortion. My argument concerned the amount of abortions performed. My apology was made after I researched and realized that there had been more than 54 million abortions performed since Roe v. Wade in 1973 (a claim made by Mr. Crabtree, although citing a lame source). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>No. I do not consider fetuses to be children . . . and strongly support the continued legalization of abortion as a final option.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I thought you knew me better than that, Saundra. Everybody else on the Viz does.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/"><span style='color:black'>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>ROTFLMAO – leave it to Gary to try to incorrectly insist that fetuses are “children,” which was his initial claim, an assertion not even his own links make.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Tom, I’d take back your apology, unless you share the notion that a fetus is something other than a fetus or <b>potential</b> child. And, if a fetus is a child, then the biggest abortionist of all time is none other than God.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Saundra</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:bmerkle@nsa.edu">bmerkle@nsa.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Victims and Perpetrators</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Actually I offered up three different sources. The one you are referring to is the first where by Politifact</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> verifies Rep. Smiths assertion. Politifact is not noted for a conservative or pro life bent. If you had read the piece, you would know what sources and studies they used to arrive at their conclusion. Should you then find that it fails to satisfy your stringent requirements for documentation you will have to simply imagine my deep and bitter disappointment.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is NOT substantiation, Mr. Crabtree. You simply echoed an unsubstantiated claim made by Rep. Christopher Smith (R-NJ). Substantiation generally includes a citable source . . . not simply because somebody said so.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:black'>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/" target="_blank">http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.crescentcitytimes.com/?p=12253" target="_blank">http://www.crescentcitytimes.com/?p=12253</a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130126/AGGREGATION/130129300/0/NEWS0603" target="_blank">http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130126/AGGREGATION/130129300/0/NEWS0603</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Need more?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mr . Crabtree-<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Care to share substantiation for you claim of " . . . 54,000,000 plus children". Or is this simply more hot air?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:black'>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Gary Crabtree <<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>54,000,000 plus children<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>