<div dir="ltr"><div><div>The "White Cop Kills Black Man" is disturbing... Race should not be used in some of the headlines, it should be used ALL of the time..<br><br></div>A recent event with a Black cop punching a Black woman who was handcuffed in the back seat of the patrol car didn't have a racial identifying headline. The video was horrible.<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>No, Mr. Dredge, I would NOT have considered it an "action of disrespect" . . . If crime scene investigator had responded IMMEDIATELY! </div><div><br></div><div>FYI, Mr. Dredge: My father was a member of the LAPD (Los Angeles Police Department) for 36 (thirty-six) years. This is not foreign to me, ok?</div><span class=""><div><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div></div></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Dec 16, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div dir="ltr">To expand on the point of “It really is a double-edged
sword,” had the body been moved sooner, Mr. Hansen would still be claiming this to be an action of disrespect and that the crime scene wasn't processed properly.<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:06:21 -0700<br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'<br><br>
<div dir="ltr">Mr. Hansen writes:<br><Another question that NEEDS an answer: Why did Brown's body lay dead on
the ground . . . untouched . . for four hours . . . after the police
officer shot and killed,him?><br><br>The article you linked to does a pretty good job answering that question by providing a number of reasons:<br><br><ol><li>This shooting was on a Saturday, with a skeleton crew on
duty and an earlier incident miles away that delayed detectives from
getting to Ferguson.</li><li>Jackson and others said the scene
was so chaotic that there were moments when they didn’t know if they
were going to get out without getting hurt or hurting someone else.</li><li>Several
medical examiners and coroner officials from across the country said
every crime scene is different. Some take all day to process.</li><li>“Sometimes
it’s a little disconcerting in an open scene for the family to see a
body lying there,” said Dave R. Fowler, chief medical examiner in
Baltimore. “But this is not ‘CSI.’”</li><li>The best way to serve
the public and the victim’s family is to do your job properly, they all
said, and get as close to the truth as possible.</li><li>There
are absolutes in police work, Belmar said in an interview Friday.
Protect the crime scene. Investigate thoroughly. “What would we have
gained by taking pictures of Mr. Brown’s body and simply getting him out
of there as fast as we could?” Belmar asked. “... It might have moved
(the timeline) up an hour and a half.”</li><li>Or would that have
left the grand jury — convening now on this case — without the benefit
of a thorough crime scene investigation? “It really is a double-edged
sword,” Belmar said.</li></ol><br><br>The article also concedes that the reasons listed above don't matter because the headline of 'white cop kills black man' trumps all else:<br><br><ol><li>But for many in Ferguson, none of
that will matter. Regardless of the evidence, the experts, the gunshots
and the crowds, a young man’s body left on the street for four hours
just doesn’t make sense.</li><li>“You’ll never make anyone black
believe that a white kid would have laid in the street for four hours,”
said Mike Jones, an African-American and chief aide to St. Louis County
Executive Charlie Dooley. “It defies any understanding of reality.”</li><li>And that anger won’t go away soon, several Canfield residents recently said.</li><li>Torregrossa
can still see Brown’s feet and head sticking out from the white sheet,
too small to cover his tall frame. “The image in my mind, him laying in
the street, that baffles me,” Torregrossa said.</li><li>“That’s the only image I have of this young man, and I can’t shake it.”</li></ol><br><br><div><hr>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ferguson second grade protesters 'get it'<br>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:42:31 -0800<br>CC: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a><br><br><div><span></span></div><div><div>Mr. Dredge -</div><div><br></div><div>Another question that NEEDS an answer: Why did Brown's body lay dead on the ground . . . untouched . . for four hours . . . after the police officer shot and killed,him?</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/why-was-michael-brown-s-body-left-there-for-hours/article_0b73ec58-c6a1-516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html" target="_blank">http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/why-was-michael-brown-s-body-left-there-for-hours/article_0b73ec58-c6a1-516e-882f-74d18a4246e0.html</a><br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I really hate how this whole thing has developed. It started with the death of Brown, with scant information, at which time it was believable that he might have been raising his hands asking the cop not to shoot him. I can see people jumping on that bandwagon. Later, it came to light that he had assaulted the cop in his car, which totally changes the story. It's still unfortunate, but it's miles away from saying "please don't shoot me" and raising your hands. The cops-use-black-people-as-target-practice meme is a powerful one, though, and that's what gets said during the protests. Damn the facts, anyway, I guess.<br><br></div>There may actually be a real problem here, since there have now been two grand jury refusals to indict that I disagree with, but it's obscured by this sort of thing. If the people protesting don't give a damn about what actually happened, then why should I take anything they say, whether they are 7 years old or 70, at face value? My basic assumption right now for these protests is that they are making shit up and only if I see evidence otherwise will I begin to believe them. It's sad, really.<br><br></div>Paul<br></div><div><br><div>On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div><div dir="ltr">It's a worthy cause to protest “against the unjust systems that allow police officers to kill Black men and boys with impunity,”<br><br><a href="https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/second-graders-spend-recess-protesting-ferguson-105366598412.html" target="_blank">https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/second-graders-spend-recess-protesting-ferguson-105366598412.html</a><br><br> </div></div>
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