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<div>The debt tripled under Reagan, and his advisers were wise to convince him to raise taxes in 7 years of his 8-year term. I posted all of the data here on the Vision. See all of my columns on Reagan at
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5987386321lnk72119" target="_blank" href="http://www.nickgier.com/">http://www.NickGier.com/ReagamPage.htm.</a> For debt for each president see
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv5987386321lnk403137" target="_blank" href="http://www.nickgier.com/DebtGOPObamaTables.pdf">http://www.NickGier.com/DebtGOPObamaTables.pdf.</a> As I wrote in a recent column, Reagan and Bush II borrowed money to wage one unnecessary cold war and two hot wars, and Obama borrowed
money at near zero interest rates to save the economy and gave 8 million plus people health insurance. By 2021, the two largest items on the national debt will be Iraq and Afghan wars and the loss of revenue due to the Great Recession.
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<div>Japan's debt is 200% of GDP, but they owe it all to themselves. The problem with our debt is that the Chinese and other sovereign wealth funds (e.g., Norway and Saudi Arabia) own a great deal of it.
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<div>Well, I'm not an economist. I do think that $18 trillion is perhaps both feet across the ridiculous line, though.
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<div>There are a lot of things about how the system works that I find strange. For example, I googled how much cash there is in circulation at the moment. According to this link (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm">http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm</a>),
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<div>Hopefully our currency will stay strong on the international stage, otherwise we will probably be having quite a different conversation.<br clear="none">
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<div>And I know the idea is old-fashioned, but maybe we should be looking closer at how much bang we are getting for our buck instead of just adding some more to a fictitious number somewhere and hoping it will all sort itself out sometime.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr"> It's the same thing my Econ 101 professor taught back in the last century.</div>
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<div>I hadn't looked at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://usdebtclock.org/">
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<div>Perhaps we should be doing something about this.<br clear="none">
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