<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Masterful.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">g</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Scott Dredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">I don't see a '4- and 5- hour discrepancy'. In analyzing this incident like the 61 year old (to the day (...well almost)) Zapruder film, Tom's first email hit me at 7:09am. The second at 7:54am. And the third and fourth arrived with uncanny almost pinpoint accuracy on the half (actually 8:31am) and top hour (precisely 8:59am). This represents a window of just under 2 hours which is far less than Tom's assertion of 4 to 5 hours. Sunil's email fell harmlessly into my inbox at 9:02am, a mere 3 minutes after the last of Tom's multiple emails. Even using Sunil's timestamp as a benchmark, that would mean according to Tom's testimony that Tom would have fired off his first email AT THE ABSOLUTE LATEST at either 4:02am (unlikely) or 5:02am (improbably) considering that this would deviate significantly from the timestamps of most of Tom's emails from historical records.<br><br>In conclusion, I feel that Paul's assessment is the most accurate in that 1) It has all the appearances to an outside observer that it might possibly have been a connection problem that Tom was unaware of thus was sending an email once every half hour and being puzzled that it wasn't showing up on v2020, and 2) Paul's decision to not get involved was a wise one especially in light of Paul telling Tom not to call the police on his behalf.<br><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:51:32 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Paranoia in Pullman<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>I thought about suggesting that he might have a connection problem he wasn't aware of, but it turns out that my decision to leave him be and let him figure it out on his own was probably a good one.<br><br></div>Paul<br></div><div><br><div>On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Sunil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div><div dir="ltr">Oh, I'm occupied with far more interesting tasks, such as removing lint from my navel. I was just idly wondering if you were hitting send repeatedly.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr><span>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Paranoia in Pullman<br></span>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:45:25 -0800<br>CC: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><div><div><br><br><div>Here is a challenge, Mr's Dredge and Ramalingam . . .</div><div><br></div><div>If you check the times sent, versus the times received (by Vision 2020), you will notice a 4- and 5-hour</div><div>discrepancy. I telephoned First Step concerning this problem and, apparently, they squared it away.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I'm glad to simply know that I added adventure to your otherwise boring lives.</div><div><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>
<div dir="ltr">I received the 'Paranoia in Pullman' email 4 times in rapid fire succession. It seemed to have more of a signature of 'Paranoia in Moscow' overloading v2020.<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 09:01:35 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Paranoia in Pullman<br><br>
<div dir="ltr">Tom,<br><br>Are you re-sending emails or is this a glitch in the system? Third day in a row that your same email has popped up multiple times.<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 05:21:45 -0800<br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: [Vision2020] Paranoia in Pullman<br><br><div><span></span></div><div><div>Courtesy of today's (November 21, 2014) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.</div><div><br></div><div>--------------------------------------</div><div><div style="padding:10px 0px 20px;width:960px;clear:both;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10px;background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="padding:0px;width:620px;display:inline"><div style="padding:0px"><h1 style="padding:0px;line-height:34px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:30px;font-weight:400"><span style="padding:0px;color:rgb(204,0,0);line-height:38px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Police: Records request overload staff</span></h1><p style="padding:10px 0px 10px 20px;color:rgb(153,153,153);line-height:24px;font-size:18px">An anonymous request seeks all body camera footage from Pullman Police</p></div></div></div><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></p><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><br></p><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Staff at the Pullman Police Department may soon be drowning in hours of video footage as they attempt to fulfill an anonymous request to post the footage on YouTube.</span></p><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The public records request submitted early this week asked for the department to turn over all body and vehicle camera footage it has recorded. Pullman Police Cmdr. Chris Tennant said that means footage dating back a year-and-a-half will have to be edited and handed over to comply with the request.</span></p><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">At a Tuesday night Pullman City Council meeting, City Supervisor Mark Workman said there are 1.7 terabytes of video footage to wade through.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"It was not a typical request," Tennant said. "It was - 'I want all videos posted on YouTube for everybody to access.' "</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tennant said the department turned the request over to the city attorney to make sure it was a legal request and to determine costs and realistic timelines to complete the request.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"This anonymous requester has been communicating with the records and legal department to narrow down the request," Tennant said.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">One of the major issues with the request is how to address privacy issues in the videos in a cost-effective and timely manner.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The cameras used by the department were created so footage cannot be edited, meaning the department will have to find a software program to blur out or block faces, license plates and other private objects.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"One of the problems is who will do that," he said. "I got two records clerks downstairs that work on public records requests."</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The two clerks handle roughly five to 10 requests a week already and some of them are fairly complicated and take a significant amount of time, he said.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Footage connected with an active case or investigation doesn't have to be released, but that doesn't reduce the hours of video by much.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"It's not just the 'fun stuff" you see on TV," he said. "I've got to be honest, most of the stuff is pretty boring."</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">A typical clip of video related to a driving under the influence arrest will only have about 20 minutes on the street and another three hours will be fingerprinting, processing and handling inventory, Tennant said.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">There are a minimum of three officers out at any given time of the day, each working nine-hour shifts. On average, Tennant said officers will activate their camera five times a shift.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are generating it faster than a person can redact," he said.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Two other departments in Poulsbo and Bremerton, Wash., also received the request from an anonymous individual, according to an Associated Press story Tuesday.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Poulsbo Police Chief Al Townsend told the AP that the 1,100 hours of video requested from his department would take years to review with its limited staff .</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We don't want to put people's private lives out there," Townsend had said. "I can't in good conscience give out footage that shows people in their homes."</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Bremerton police officials said they hope the Legislature will act to address the problem.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"I hope, personally, the state Legislature will look at public records request legislation," Tennant said. "I think we need to update the laws."</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tennant said the technology used for body and dash cameras was created to enhance transparency, which he said he believes is the goal of the anonymous requester.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"I think the general public really wants cameras out there and we as a police department really want cameras out there," Tennant said. "To have the whole idea derailed and go back to the stone age of written reports, that's not the purpose or the intent."</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The AP reported the Bremerton Police Department plans to buy 42 cameras for officers, but Chief Steven Strachan is apprehensive about spending the money only to be struck by records requests.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tennant said he hopes the request won't prompt the discontinuing use of the cameras in Pullman.</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"That has been mentioned here in Pullman and I certainly hope it doesn't come to that," he said. "We don't have that defeatist attitude, but having to hire 10 people is unrealistic."</span></p></div><div style="padding:0px"><p style="padding:0px;background-image:none"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">As of Thursday, Tennant said, an official plan to handle the request has still not been formulated.</span></p></div></div><div><br></div><div>--------------------------------------<br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><br></div></div></div><br>=======================================================
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