<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I could go on and on . . . reading, quoting, copying, and pasting articles from the Coeur d'Alene Press and/or the Spokesman Review . . .detailing how the initial action in this case was brought forward by the Hitching Post, claiming that they (the Hitching Post), as a non-profit religious organization, are not required to be in compliance with Coeur d'Alene's discrimination code . . . and how the City of Coeur d'Alene has responded claiming the Hitching Post to be a for-profit organization . . . but why?</div><div><br><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div dir="ltr">Was that week-long hearing about the Coeur d'Alene ordinance? If not, I won't be needing the CDS.<br><br>Here's what the City of Coeur d'Alene had to say on its facebook page yesterday:<br><br><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" class="userContent">'The
city of Coeur d’Alene has been contacted by a huge volume of people
inquiring about our anti-discrimination ordinance, passed in 2013 by the
City Council. These contacts have been a reaction to a lawsuit filed by
the owners of a local marriage chapel, the Hitching Post, which claims
the city has taken inappropriate action against their business for thei<span class="text_exposed_show">r
decision to not perform same-sex marriages. In fact, the city has
received no complaints about the Hitching Post and we have never
threatened them. If we did get a complaint we would investigate it like
any other complaint to determine if there is a legitimate violation of a
city code. <b> If we investigate it and determine that they fall within
our exemption for religious corporations, we would not pursue it further
because they would be exempt. </b> At this point the city is reviewing the
complaint and hopes to more fully respond to the allegations as quickly
as possible.'</span></span> (emphasis added)<br><br>Maybe they need the CDs?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling<br>From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:22:54 -0700<br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br><br><div>I say again, Mr. Ramalingam (emphasis added) . . . </div><div><br></div><div>The Hitching Post is a <b>for-profit business. </b>As such it is not legally eligible for benefits associated with non-profit religious organizations . . . benefits like non-compliance with city code . . . unless it controls the city council (hmmm).</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't believe me, just ask the "management" of New Saint Andrews College. There was a hearing conducted in July 2004, before the Latah County Board of Commissioners, between local complainants (Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund) and respondents ("management" of Christ Church, <span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">New Saint Andrews College, Logos School, etc.) concerning the respondents' tax-exempt/for-profit status.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I have the nearly-a-week-long hearing online and on a series of CDs.</div><div><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span class="section">No. See B(1) below, emphasis added.<br><br>9.56.040: EXCEPTIONS:</span><a name="s894073" target="_blank"></a><a class="ecxquicklink" href="http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/getBookData.php?chapter_id=82509#894073" rel="#894073" target="_blank"><img style="border-style:none;" src="http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/images/url.gif" alt="link"></a><a href="mailto:?subject=Coeur%20d%27Alene%20Code%20Regulations&body=Below%20is%20a%20link%20to%20the%20City%20code%20which%20contains%20the%20information%20you%20requested.%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.sterlingcodifiers.com%2Fcodebook%2Findex.php%3Fbook_id%3D603%26section_id%3D894073"><img style="border-style:none;" src="http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/images/mailto_icon.gif" alt="link"></a>
<br><p class="ecxlevel1">
A. Notwithstanding any other provision herein, nothing in this chapter
is intended to alter or abridge other rights, protections, or privileges
secured under state and/or federal law. This chapter shall be construed
and applied in a manner consistent with first amendment jurisprudence
regarding the freedom of speech and exercise of religion.<br>
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B.<b> This chapter does not apply to:<br>
</b></p><p class="ecxlevel2"><b>
1. Religious corporations</b>, associations, educational institutions, or societies.<br>
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2. An expressive association whose employment of a person protected by
this chapter would significantly burden the association's rights of
expressive association under <u>Boy Scouts Of America v. Dale</u>, 530 U.S. 640 (2000).<br>
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3. The United States government, any of its departments or agencies, or
any corporation wholly owned by it; or the state of Idaho or any of its
departments, agencies, or political subdivisions, other than the city of
Coeur d'Alene.<br>
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C. This chapter shall not apply: 1) to the rental of a housing
accommodation in a building which contains housing accommodations for
not more than two (2) families living independently of each other, if
the lessor or a member of his family resides in one of the housing
accommodations, or 2) to the rental of a room or rooms in a
single-family residential housing accommodation by an individual if he
or a member of his family resides therein. (Ord. 3466, 2013)<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:51:27 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">janesta@gmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling<br><br><div>The Hitching Post claims to be a religious entity. </div><div><br></div><div>Yet, it is a for-profit business (so claims the Cd'A City Council). As such the Hitching Post is bound to, and must obey, local laws (city code in this case) . . . including a Coeur d'Alene city code that stipulates that a business cannot refuse service based on sexual orientation.<br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Janesta <<a href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">janesta@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Butch needs to give it a rest.<br><br></div>The Hitching Post is a private business and should have the freedom and right to serve whomever they want. There is a BOOMING business in Arizona for "clearing houses" for business which same gender friendly. Perhaps someone should start one in Coeur d' Alene<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Courtesy of today's (October 22, 2014) Spokesman-Review.</div><div><br></div><div>-------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div><h1 style="clear:both;line-height:1.2;font-size:28px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(17,17,17);">Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling</h1><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">BOISE – Idaho Gov. Butch Otter wants a larger group of judges to reconsider the recent decision that overturned the state’s ban on same-sex marriage. “I will continue defending Idahoans’ self-determination and the will of Idaho voters who decided that traditional marriage is a core principle of our society,” Otter said.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">The governor on Tuesday announced that he would file a petition seeking a review at the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals by an 11-judge panel. A three-judge panel made the earlier decision ruling that Idaho’s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional. Otter and Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden earlier requested that the 9th Circuit assign a full 11-judge panel to hear Idaho’s case, rather than a three-judge panel. That request was denied. Wasden didn’t join with Otter in Tuesday’s petition. </span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">However, his spokesman, Todd Dvorak, said Wasden plans to file an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court in the coming weeks.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Deborah Ferguson, attorney for the four Idaho couples who successfully sued to overturn Idaho’s same-sex marriage ban, said, “If necessary, we will continue to defend the District Court and 9th Circuit decision.”</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Otter, in a news release, warned of “increased religious strife” because “unaccountable judges,” not the “democratic process,” were making the call on gay marriage.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">“One of the key arguments against the Idaho Constitution’s defense of traditional marriage has been that redefining it to include same-sex couples would not harm anyone. But the Hitching Post example shows the fallacy of that position,” he said.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">The Hitching Post wedding chapel in Coeur d’Alene has filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Coeur d’Alene, saying the city’s anti-discrimination ordinance would force its owners to perform marriages that they object to on religious grounds. That prompted a fundamentalist Christian group in Mississippi to claim that the city of Coeur d’Alene has threatened to arrest the two ordained ministers who own the chapel – but there was no such threat.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">The city has asked that the lawsuit be withdrawn; the chapel recently filed to become a religious corporation, which would exempt it from the city ordinance.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Otter is in the midst of campaigning for a third term; his two leading opponents, Democrat A.J. Balukoff and Libertarian John Bujak, oppose continuing Idaho’s court fight against same-sex marriage, which became legal in Idaho last week.</span></p></div><div>-------------------------------------<br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><span class="ecxHOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div> </div></font></span></div></div></div><br>=======================================================<br>
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