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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>This is a non-issue and it shows the fallacy of Otter's comments about the Hitching Post. Otter's claim of <span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">“I will continue
defending Idahoans’ self-determination and the will of Idaho voters who
decided that traditional marriage is a core principle of our society" is in itself just a vote getter. He should know damn well that rights aren't subject to popular vote, but he also probably knows that the voting public is too stupid to grasp that fact either because they daydreamed (or flat out slept) through civics class or just dropped out of high school before taking the class.</span><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:48:21 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Was that week-long hearing about the Coeur d'Alene ordinance? If not, I won't be needing the CDS.<br><br>Here's what the City of Coeur d'Alene had to say on its facebook page yesterday:<br><br><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" class="ecxuserContent">'The
city of Coeur d’Alene has been contacted by a huge volume of people
inquiring about our anti-discrimination ordinance, passed in 2013 by the
City Council. These contacts have been a reaction to a lawsuit filed by
the owners of a local marriage chapel, the Hitching Post, which claims
the city has taken inappropriate action against their business for thei<span class="ecxtext_exposed_show">r
decision to not perform same-sex marriages. In fact, the city has
received no complaints about the Hitching Post and we have never
threatened them. If we did get a complaint we would investigate it like
any other complaint to determine if there is a legitimate violation of a
city code. <b> If we investigate it and determine that they fall within
our exemption for religious corporations, we would not pursue it further
because they would be exempt. </b> At this point the city is reviewing the
complaint and hopes to more fully respond to the allegations as quickly
as possible.'</span></span> (emphasis added)<br><br>Maybe they need the CDs?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling<br>From: thansen@moscow.com<br>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:22:54 -0700<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br><br><div>I say again, Mr. Ramalingam (emphasis added) . . . </div><div><br></div><div>The Hitching Post is a <b>for-profit business. </b>As such it is not legally eligible for benefits associated with non-profit religious organizations . . . benefits like non-compliance with city code . . . unless it controls the city council (hmmm).</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't believe me, just ask the "management" of New Saint Andrews College. There was a hearing conducted in July 2004, before the Latah County Board of Commissioners, between local complainants (Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund) and respondents ("management" of Christ Church, <span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">New Saint Andrews College, Logos School, etc.) concerning the respondents' tax-exempt/for-profit status.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I have the nearly-a-week-long hearing online and on a series of CDs.</div><div><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span class="section">No. See B(1) below, emphasis added.<br><br>9.56.040: EXCEPTIONS:</span><a name="s894073" target="_blank"></a><a class="ecxquicklink" href="http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/getBookData.php?chapter_id=82509#894073" rel="#894073" target="_blank"><img style="border-style:none;" src="http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/images/url.gif" alt="link"></a><a href="mailto:?subject=Coeur%20d%27Alene%20Code%20Regulations&body=Below%20is%20a%20link%20to%20the%20City%20code%20which%20contains%20the%20information%20you%20requested.%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.sterlingcodifiers.com%2Fcodebook%2Findex.php%3Fbook_id%3D603%26section_id%3D894073"><img style="border-style:none;" src="http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/images/mailto_icon.gif" alt="link"></a>
<br><p class="ecxlevel1">
A. Notwithstanding any other provision herein, nothing in this chapter
is intended to alter or abridge other rights, protections, or privileges
secured under state and/or federal law. This chapter shall be construed
and applied in a manner consistent with first amendment jurisprudence
regarding the freedom of speech and exercise of religion.<br>
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B.<b> This chapter does not apply to:<br>
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1. Religious corporations</b>, associations, educational institutions, or societies.<br>
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2. An expressive association whose employment of a person protected by
this chapter would significantly burden the association's rights of
expressive association under <u>Boy Scouts Of America v. Dale</u>, 530 U.S. 640 (2000).<br>
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3. The United States government, any of its departments or agencies, or
any corporation wholly owned by it; or the state of Idaho or any of its
departments, agencies, or political subdivisions, other than the city of
Coeur d'Alene.<br>
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C. This chapter shall not apply: 1) to the rental of a housing
accommodation in a building which contains housing accommodations for
not more than two (2) families living independently of each other, if
the lessor or a member of his family resides in one of the housing
accommodations, or 2) to the rental of a room or rooms in a
single-family residential housing accommodation by an individual if he
or a member of his family resides therein. (Ord. 3466, 2013)<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:51:27 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">janesta@gmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling<br><br><div>The Hitching Post claims to be a religious entity. </div><div><br></div><div>Yet, it is a for-profit business (so claims the Cd'A City Council). As such the Hitching Post is bound to, and must obey, local laws (city code in this case) . . . including a Coeur d'Alene city code that stipulates that a business cannot refuse service based on sexual orientation.<br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 22, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Janesta <<a href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">janesta@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Butch needs to give it a rest.<br><br></div>The Hitching Post is a private business and should have the freedom and right to serve whomever they want. There is a BOOMING business in Arizona for "clearing houses" for business which same gender friendly. Perhaps someone should start one in Coeur d' Alene<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Courtesy of today's (October 22, 2014) Spokesman-Review.</div><div><br></div><div>-------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div><h1 style="clear:both;line-height:1.2;font-size:28px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(17,17,17);">Otter seeks full panel review of gay marriage ruling</h1><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">BOISE – Idaho Gov. Butch Otter wants a larger group of judges to reconsider the recent decision that overturned the state’s ban on same-sex marriage. “I will continue defending Idahoans’ self-determination and the will of Idaho voters who decided that traditional marriage is a core principle of our society,” Otter said.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">The governor on Tuesday announced that he would file a petition seeking a review at the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals by an 11-judge panel. A three-judge panel made the earlier decision ruling that Idaho’s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional. Otter and Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden earlier requested that the 9th Circuit assign a full 11-judge panel to hear Idaho’s case, rather than a three-judge panel. That request was denied. Wasden didn’t join with Otter in Tuesday’s petition. </span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">However, his spokesman, Todd Dvorak, said Wasden plans to file an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court in the coming weeks.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Deborah Ferguson, attorney for the four Idaho couples who successfully sued to overturn Idaho’s same-sex marriage ban, said, “If necessary, we will continue to defend the District Court and 9th Circuit decision.”</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Otter, in a news release, warned of “increased religious strife” because “unaccountable judges,” not the “democratic process,” were making the call on gay marriage.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">“One of the key arguments against the Idaho Constitution’s defense of traditional marriage has been that redefining it to include same-sex couples would not harm anyone. But the Hitching Post example shows the fallacy of that position,” he said.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">The Hitching Post wedding chapel in Coeur d’Alene has filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Coeur d’Alene, saying the city’s anti-discrimination ordinance would force its owners to perform marriages that they object to on religious grounds. That prompted a fundamentalist Christian group in Mississippi to claim that the city of Coeur d’Alene has threatened to arrest the two ordained ministers who own the chapel – but there was no such threat.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">The city has asked that the lawsuit be withdrawn; the chapel recently filed to become a religious corporation, which would exempt it from the city ordinance.</span></p><p style="overflow:visible !important;"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Otter is in the midst of campaigning for a third term; his two leading opponents, Democrat A.J. Balukoff and Libertarian John Bujak, oppose continuing Idaho’s court fight against same-sex marriage, which became legal in Idaho last week.</span></p></div><div>-------------------------------------<br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><span class="ecxHOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div> </div></font></span></div></div></div><br>=======================================================<br>
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