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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks, Sue, for the perspective. I grew up in a
family that "wasn't racist" because they "knew" or had interacted with a person
of color at some point and didn't treat that person like dirt. I am well
aware that I have some internal biases of which I am not aware, as I was
indoctrinated at an ealy age...I work really hard to make sure I'm not using
those biases to make judgements, evaluations, or decisions. I know I still
screw up. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm an old white woman who grew up in a very
white Idaho and Utah, with all the benefits ( and drawbacks) that
designation entails. I know this makes me "entitled" and more than a little
stupid about race (and a whole raft of other issues---gender, religion, poverty,
etc).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My first memories of familial racism are related to
Cassius Clay/Muhamed Ali---my dad was a boxing fan, a war monger, and a
religious bigot. One can imagine how that worked for an anti-racist, anti-war,
anti-religion child of the '60s.....It took us 30 years to even confront the
issues, let alone reconcile...I still love boxing, however.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>And nothing changes until everyone who was a racist
product of the 1930s to the 1960s is dead and gone, and those they influenced
are outed as the assinine idiots they are, including me I think....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Meantime, we allow all the underlying racism of the
legal system, city planning, the schools, the voting districts, etc ad
naseum to continue ubnremarked as we focus on a few old nasty racist rich
guys....I want to see those like us, aware of the situation and wanting to take
responsibility, stand up and shout out...Sterling and Bundy are out in the open
dinosaurs, but we have an enormous undercurrent of their ilk who have more tact
and influence managing right-wing politics in the US. Just because "they" didn't
say it doesn't mean "they" don't support it---Who is financing the Tea
Party/Hard Right Republicans?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Political
correctness run amok</DIV>
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<DIV>The whole issue of racism for me is that so very often I need to examine
my own responses. I could take some comfort in the fact that most
of my generation is racist whether we acknowledge it or not. But I
try not to do that. And when I hear someone my age begin a statement
with the assertion, “I’m not racist, but...” I generally conclude they are and
are in a self delusional mode. But as you say, we cannot unring that
bell, so what comes next is a result of what has gone before and there seems
not to be a productive reason to look for a way to rationalize, excuse, or
spring to Sterling’s defense. And certainly I have no desire to do
that. I appreciated Leonard Pitts’ article in today’s
Tribune, in which he discusses the racist comments of Sterling and
Bundy. He concludes with the words, “But many of us don’t really
understand what they purport to condemn. Otherwise how could there be
all this noise about that which doesn’t matter and silence about that which
does. Examples to which he pointed: black vs. white prison
sentences for similar crimes, the execution rates of minority males, arrests
based on skin color, the list goes on..... </DIV>
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<DIV>And thanks for the kudos, deserved or not.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sue </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 03, 2014 12:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Political correctness run
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<DIV dir=ltr>Sue,<BR><BR>Kudos to you for not knee jerking like so many others
when anyone cries 'racism' on a list server. I'm not all that thrilled
either about a private conversation being turned into a viral sensation and a
public relations nightmare. But there is no way to unring this bell and
the NBA needs to protect their billion dollar empire so things just move on to
the next phase of issuing the max penalty levied by the NBA (no brainer as
Donovan pointed out) and ultimately forcing Sterling to sell the team.
I'm guessing that V. Stiviano won't be able to find another billionaire sugar
daddy but might be able to land a good size payday for a tell all book.
She might also get a pretty penny for posing in a nudie magazine or
two.<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 17:56:51 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Sure, I know that. And Tinker wasn’t a good example for me to use
for that reason. But, I still think the application of the
principal is the same. Now folks are calling it a privacy issue. That’s
interesting. A goodly number are really selective about what constitutes
a right to privacy. If it’s a woman’s right to choose (for example)
there is no right to privacy, they say. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run
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<DIV dir=ltr>Sue,<BR><BR>The First Amendment was implicated in Tinker because
the school board is a state actor. It's not implicated here because the NBA is
not a state actor.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:09:39 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok<BR><BR>
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<DIV>But in Tinker v. Des Moines SD the issue was all about 1st Amendment
Rights and did not involve government censorship or prosecution...made clear
in the case...nevertheless the ruling was her first amendment rights “did not
stop at the school house door.” </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run
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<DIV dir=ltr>Donald Sterling's First Amendment rights are fully intact as he's
not facing censorship from the government and he's also not facing prosecution
for what he said in private. Apparently on the same tape, Sterling said
'I love black people', but the conversation needs to be taking in totality and
full context and not reduced, as usual, to only a few sound bytes that
resonate with Tom Hansen rendering a verdict & decree.<BR><BR>Also
interesting to note is that the NAACP was planning to give Sterling a 2nd
lifetime achievement award on May 15th. Sterling received his first
NAACP award 5 years ago.<BR><BR><A
href="http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award"
target=_blank>http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award</A><BR><BR>All
of this is so...what's the right phrase...black and white?<BR><BR>-Scott<BR>
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<DIV><BR>On Apr 29, 2014, at 3:19 PM, "Sue Hovey" <<A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>>
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<DIV>Frankly, I think he’s a “dirty old man” with a great looking young
woman friend, and his prejudices and bigotry extend far beyond what he has
just said. Even so, it would seem to me he has a First Amendment
right to say what he thinks. Not knowing what the bylaws of the NBA
say to this issue, I do wonder how they can ban him from games when he owns
the team, and I imagine the courts will be asked to resolve that issue. If
the KKK has a First Amendment right to march down the streets of American
cities (and I don’t argue they do) then maybe Magic Johnson should just have
to “suck it up.” I believe the First Amendment is precious...and
yes, there are consequences for speech that harms, but we have to be very
wary of consequences for something that is purely speech and not overt
behavior, which is discrimination and often illegal. </DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps the NBA could look into the Cliven Bundy case and remove him
from his ranch just as Sterling has been removed from the Arena. Well
maybe their bylaws don’t extend that far. Damn.
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<DIV>Sue H. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=rforce2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">Ron Force</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">Gary Crabtree</A> ; <A
title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run
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<DIV><SPAN>It wasn't just "black people" dude, it was Magic
Johnson!</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Force <BR>Moscow Idaho USA</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:59 PM,
Gary Crabtree <<A
href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</A>>
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<DIV>The guy should be thanking his lucky stars that he wasn't illegally
taped stating that he believed that marriage should be between a man and a
women exclusively. They would be calling for a total confiscation of all
his worldly goods and a summary execution.</DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxyiv1557467982gmail_quote>On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM,
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for life from games and practices by the NBA and fined $2.5 million
dollars. Why? Because he was recorded saying bad things about
black people in a PRIVATE conversation he was having with his
girlfriend. One that was very likely recorded illegally. Does this
strike anyone here as being over-the-top? Or am I the only one not
on the "OMG! He said bad things about black people!" bandwagon?<BR><BR>I
hate that we have become a nation of nattering
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