<div dir="ltr"><div>I take your point that Social Security is not welfare. How many people, do you suppose, would pay into Social Security if they weren't required (forced) to? How many companies would have the cash reserves to handle such a program on their own? Would it be profitable enough to justify the expense? I still think it takes a large government to administer such a program for all citizens. Not to mention that people in my generation (possibly) and the generation behind me (quite probably) won't get their money back once the whole thing goes tits up, as they seem to be projecting.<br>
<br></div>Paul<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Ted Moffett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>More misleading statements on Vision2020...<br></div><div><br>Social Security is not "welfare" in the sense of a government wholly taxpayer supported hand out, that does not require someone to pay into the program to receive the benefit, such as the SNAP so called "food stamps" program, which anyone of low enough income who qualifies can receive, regardless of their tax contributions during their life. <br>
<br></div>To call Social Security "welfare" is common among libertarian anti-government propagandists who would love to see Social Security dismantled.<br><br></div>Workers pay into the Social Security system during their working life, and the amount of the SS benefit they receive is contingent upon the amount of their contribution. Some people pay into SS for decades, and die too young to ever see a benefit! Others receive a benefit but still die too young to get back their contributions. It is true that if someone has a very long lifespan, they may receive in SS benefits more than they contributed.<br>
<br>------------------------------------------<br></div>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>I was thinking more generally of welfare (medicaid, medicare, social security, unemployment, etc). They are extremely useful programs when needed, they are often abused, and they require a large federal government to sustain. I wouldn't be so down on the idea of a large state if it didn't think that it had the right to spy on it's citizens and assassinate people without due process and if it didn't think it had to police the world.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">Paul<br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Paul Rumelhart argues:</div><div><div><br></div><div><span>"</span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Being a statist is what I have a problem with. Basically making the state too powerful and people too dependent upon it."</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div></div><div><span>Do you mean state-expanded Medicaid? Public schools? Increased minimum wage?</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Details please.<br></span><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Moscow, Idaho</span></div>
</div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">- John Lennon</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></div></div><div><div><br>On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite">Being a statist is what I have a problem with. Basically making the state too powerful and people too dependent upon it.</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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