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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Paul,<br><br>Even when our government was small, it was serving those same interests. It's not a function of size.<br><br>The problem with your last sentence is that as a society we don't agree on what needs to get done, do we?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:01:16 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal<br>From: paul.rumelhart@gmail.com<br>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Not in recent memory, no. I'm not a history buff, so I couldn't tell you much about how things looked before, say, WWII. That doesn't mean that I don't think it's something we should strive for. We should have just enough government to get done what needs to get done and no more. In my opinion.<br>
<br></div>Paul<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sunil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Paul,<br><br>Is there a time you think our government was small? <br><br>sunil<br><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:53:42 -0700<div><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal<br>
</div>From: <a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><div>
<div class="h5"><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I never meant to imply that a large government has the *right* to spy on it's citizens. It just has the resources to do so.<br><br>Basically, if you want the nice shiny things, you need a government big enough to cause us all trouble, as well as the rest of the world.<br>
<br></div>I agree that the "policing" I was talking about serves the interest of those in power for reasons other than doing what they think is right. They can't do it (at least as well) with a small government, though, which was my point.<br>
<br></div>Paul<br></div><div><br><br><div>On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Sunil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">You're creating a false equivalence. Just because a state is large doesn't mean it thinks it has the right to spy on it's citizens.<br><br>As for policing the world, if we are doing any 'policing,' it's to impose our will and serve the interests of those who benefit from our foreign policy.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Sunil<br></font></span><div><span><font color="#888888"><hr>Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:57:00 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Yes, I'm proud to be a liberal</font></span><div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>I was thinking more generally of welfare (medicaid, medicare, social security, unemployment, etc). They are extremely useful programs when needed, they are often abused, and they require a large federal government to sustain. I wouldn't be so down on the idea of a large state if it didn't think that it had the right to spy on it's citizens and assassinate people without due process and if it didn't think it had to police the world.<br>
<br></div>Paul<br></div><div><br><br><div>On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Tom Hansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div>Paul Rumelhart argues:</div><div><div><br></div><div><span>"</span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Being a statist is what I have a problem with. Basically making the state too powerful and people too dependent upon it."</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div></div><div><span>Do you mean state-expanded Medicaid? Public schools? Increased minimum wage?</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Details please.<br></span><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div>
</div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">- John Lennon</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"> </span></div></div><div><div><br>On Jul 31, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:paul.rumelhart@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.rumelhart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote>Being a statist is what I have a problem with. Basically making the state too powerful and people too dependent upon it.</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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