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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And,
Scott, you think there will “eventually” be some solution, but what
about the basic health care needs of women in the meantime? It’s just
so unimportant that it’s OK for us to hope and pray that – eventually –
you’ll be right? Would your attitude be so caviler if it were <b>your</b>
gender-based basic health care needs? I guess we just tell rape
victims desperate to prevent pregnancy who need EC to just wait . . .
it’s all get sorted out in the wash.><br><br>How much more time should be spent on venting about the Hobby Lobby decision before taking action to remedy the situation? The Supreme Court is the highest court in the land and they've made their narrow ruling on the Hobby Lobby case. Alito and Kennedy already wrote in the majority opinion that the option for the government coverage of BC for non-profit organizationss could be expanded to cover closely held for-profit orgs (just before they issues the Wheaton injunction).<br></span><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:17:58 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hobby Lobby co-pay free birth control options<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">As much as you try to ignore the matter, it isn’t just about affordable birth control; it’s about allowing employers to dictate what appropriate mainstream medical care employees spend their compensation on.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The <b>fact</b> of the matter is that IUDs have appropriate accepted medical uses <b>besides</b> contraceptive use – something like 8-15% of women who have IUDs have them for <b>medical</b> reasons other than contraception. I know that’s an inconvenient fact for you, but it is nonetheless a fact, and a fact that was completely ignored by SCOTUS, by Gary, by Scott, and by Paul.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Allowing employers to “opt out” of covering the most appropriate mainstream legal treatment decided by a woman and her doctor is discrimination on the basis of gender, plain and simple, not to mention wholly inappropriate.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And, when your employer “opts out” of covering, for instance, triple-bypasses for men over 50 because it’s thwarting God’s will or for any other silly “religious” reason, I’ll be just as outraged. I’ll think it just as wrong for men to have to purchase private “heart disease” coverage “just in case” or schlepp around looking for cheaper care when your employer puts itself in your doctor’s office.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">It’s really too bad you have such a low opinion of the health care needs for women.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And, Scott, you think there will “eventually” be some solution, but what about the basic health care needs of women in the meantime? It’s just so unimportant that it’s OK for us to hope and pray that – eventually – you’ll be right? Would your attitude be so caviler if it were <b>your</b> gender-based basic health care needs? I guess we just tell rape victims desperate to prevent pregnancy who need EC to just wait . . . it’s all get sorted out in the wash.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Saundra</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Moscow, ID</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Well-behaved women seldom make history.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Crabtree<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Scott Dredge<br><b>Cc:</b> viz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Hobby Lobby co-pay free birth control options</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I'm dreadfully sorry Mr. Dredge, avoiding Gary's comments is not one of the available options. When the discussion devolves to the silly assertion that because of the <span style="background:yellow;">courts </span>decision women won't be able to afford birth control, you will hear similar comments again and again and again.</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">g</p></div></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;"><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">The comments about Hobby Lobby are yet again all over the map. Getting back to basics to hopefully avoid comments like Gary's '42 condoms at Walmart cost about $18', here is the list of 16 of 20 FDA approved birth control options that are available c0-pay free to Hobby Lobby employees:</p><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Male condoms</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Female condoms</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Diaphragms with spermicide</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Sponges with spermicide</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Cervical caps with spermicide</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Spermicide alone</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Contraceptive patches</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Contraceptive rings</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Progestin injections</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Implantable rods</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Vasectomies</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Female sterilization surgeries</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Female sterilization implants</li></ol><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><br><br>The 4 remaining FDA approved options of which Hobby Lobby objected are:</p><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Plan B emergency contraception</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Ella emergency contraception</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">Copper IUD</li><li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="">IUD with progestin</li></ol><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><br><br>While I don't agree with SCOTUS decision, I can certainly see both sides to this case and ultimately I'm convinced that coverage for FDA approved birth control will be provided through some other means that will absolve (according to SCOTUS) objecting employers.</p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</p></blockquote></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div></div><br>=======================================================
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