<div dir="ltr"><div>"<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Further, assuming that Hobby Lobby operates the same way (a relatively safe bet), then how can you defend the <span tabindex="-1" id=":1no.4">SCOTUS</span> decision <b>where <span tabindex="-1" id=":1no.5">HL</span> has no skin in the game</b>; that is, there is <b>no employer financial contribution</b> to the coverage they claim to find personally objectionable?"</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I would have to think that a sizable number of direct employees of hobby lobby are in fact female (probably most) and as such they do have a rather significant amount of "skin in the game." </span></div>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Saundra Lund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" bgcolor="white" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">To recap:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Paul wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">It's subsidized by everyone who pays into it, plus what the employer pays.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My response was that your statement is incorrect:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“The last time I checked, <b>my husband and I </b>paid 100% of the cost of <b>my</b> health insurance through the UI, and that’s the way it was for all state employees the last time I checked. That’s been the trend, too, with private sector employer-based health insurance for a <b>number of years</b>, as well as eroding the percentage of employer subsidy for the employee. Indeed, there are more than a few employers who offer absolutely no health insurance subsidy for employees – their position is that their “subsidy” is allowing the employee the benefit of being a part of a larger group that gets a lower rate.</span>”<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">You further responded:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“</span>In response to your question, when I look at my latest pay stub (posted for the 3rd of June), I see a line item for "<span>Employer Contribution for Benefits". It's about $350 in my case, paid by the employer per biweek.”</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Yes, that is the UI’s contribution to the <b>employee’s</b> benefits. There is <b>no employer subsidy</b> for the health benefits of spouses and/or dependents.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So, we’re back to my assertion that your initial statement was incorrect and my request that you quit making false statements, yes?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Further, assuming that Hobby Lobby operates the same way (a relatively safe bet), then how can you defend the SCOTUS decision <b>where HL has no skin in the game</b>; that is, there is <b>no employer financial contribution</b> to the coverage they claim to find personally objectionable?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">You seem to be advocating a position that necessarily involves trampling the Constitutional rights of women that are completely and wholly unrelated to any aspect of employment “just because” the employer finds those Constitutional protections objectionable. In this instance, your are placing a higher value on what you perceive to be the religious freedom of a for-profit business at the expense of the Constitutional rights of actual real-life people (in this instance, women), which is completely at odds with your stated positions. You are, essentially, advocating a position where the Constitutional rights of those with economic power (in this instance, employers) trumps the Constitutional and legal protections guaranteed to individuals <b>regardless of economic power</b>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">And, if you don’t understand the chilling consequences of such a stance, then I can only conclude you’ve not truly exercised your critical thinking skills and/or are intentionally ignoring the very real concerns being discussed by those who know far more than your or I will ever know about medicine and the law. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Saundra<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> Paul Rumelhart [mailto:<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 5:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>It's statements like these that I'm objecting to:<br><br>"<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">...of course it’s of no consequence to <b>you</b> that..."</span><br>
<br>"...<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">but it’s good to know you belong in the “tyranny of the bigots” category..."<br><br>"...why on earth should you care that</span>..."<br>
<br>Are they really necessary? Can't we discuss the issues without getting personal?<br><br>In response to your question, when I look at my latest pay stub (posted for the 3rd of June), I see a line item for "<span>Employer Contribution for Benefits". It's about $350 in my case, paid by the employer per biweek.</span> I also see employer amounts for "Pre-Tax Health Savings Account" (their match for the amount I'm putting in my HSA), and "Long" and "Short Term Disability Coverage". Also Medicare, but all employers have to pay FHI if I remember correctly.<br>
<br>Paul<br><br><br>On 07/01/2014 01:44 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I was hoping we could actually discuss your thinking without you playing your predictable “why is everybody always picking on me” card to avoid discussing statements you make that you want us to just blindly accept. I don’t think pointing out the flaws, limitations, and obvious conclusions of your thinking are personal insults, but I’m sorry if your sensitivities made you feel as though they were because that wasn’t my intention.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Just as, I assume, you weren’t intending to personally insult those of us with concerns about guns on campus by calling our concerns “irrational fears,” or a lot of other comments you’ve made that might have felt like personal attacks if you were on the receiving end. What’s that saying? Something about people in glass houses . . . </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So, let’s try this <b>one</b> point again:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Paul wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">It's subsidized by everyone who pays into it, plus what the employer pays.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My response is that your statement is incorrect:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“The last time I checked, <b>my husband and I </b>paid 100% of the cost of <b>my</b> health insurance through the UI, and that’s the way it was for all state employees the last time I checked. That’s been the trend, too, with private sector employer-based health insurance for a <b>number of years</b>, as well as eroding the percentage of employer subsidy for the employee. Indeed, there are more than a few employers who offer absolutely no health insurance subsidy for employees – their position is that their “subsidy” is allowing the employee the benefit of being a part of a larger group that gets a lower rate.</span>”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">What say you?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Saundra</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> Paul Rumelhart [<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Well, I was hoping we could discuss this without the personal insults. <br><br>Paul<br><br>On 07/01/2014 12:21 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Paul wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">It's subsidized by everyone who pays into it, plus what the employer pays.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Boy, you sure are out of touch with how modern employer-based health insurance is paid! Keep current, Paul, rather than disseminate long outdated sound bites. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">The last time I checked, <b>my husband and I </b>paid 100% of the cost of <b>my</b> health insurance through the UI, and that’s the way it was for all state employees the last time I checked. That’s been the trend, too, with private sector employer-based health insurance for a <b>number of years</b>, as well as eroding the percentage of employer subsidy for the employee. Indeed, there are more than a few employers who offer absolutely no health insurance subsidy for employees – their position is that their “subsidy” is allowing the employee the benefit of being a part of a larger group that gets a lower rate.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Paul also wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I don't see a problem with a small group of "close-knit" people with similar beliefs objecting to something they feel goes against their religious beliefs.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Of course you don’t, but it’s good to know you belong in the “tyranny of the bigots” category that thinks that anyone should be able to impose their religious beliefs on those with different beliefs, which certainly contradicts a lot of the positions you’ve stated on V2020. I’m in the category of thinking that people are free to believe whatever they want, but they don’t have the right to force their religious beliefs on me.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Too, why on earth should you care that about 90% of companies in America responsible for employing approximately 52% of working Americans qualify as “small closely-held” companies that can now use wholly false religious bigotry to deny access to necessary health care for female employees and employees with female family members? That may be the America you want to live in, but it isn’t the one the majority of Americans want to live in.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Paul also wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Especially when the consequence is to pay for a specific contraceptive yourself.”</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Once again, your gender ignorance and economic insensitivity would be stunning had you not exhibited them so many times before.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Yes, the American way is to force female crime victims to bear the cost of being raped by men, isn’t it, Paul, and that religious American ideal should be preserved at all costs, shouldn’t it? It’s also the American way relegate “immoral” women to forced breeder status when they have sex, isn’t it?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">And, of course it’s of no consequence to <b>you</b> that the cost of an IUD for women for whom that form of birth control is most appropriate is about a month’s wage for lower paid employees without health insurance . . . or for plans that exclude coverage for women. That may be economically feasible for <b>you</b> since <b>you</b> don’t fall into that category, but here’s a news flash for you: that is as financially impossible for many women, particularly women who have children to feed & clothe. Yet you find it appropriate for religious bigots to punish women & children in an attempt to coerce “moral” behavior out of those uppity women.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Of course, a viable alternative <b>might have been</b> to direct those women to non-profit family planning clinics like Planned Parenthood where contraceptives are more affordable. At least, that <b>might</b> have been a viable alternative before the Religious Right started its war on women. Oops – guess that’s not a viable alternative for a lot of women anymore.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Saundra</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Moscow, ID</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 9:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Sunil; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Yes, you're right. It's not free. It's subsidized by everyone who pays into it, plus what the employer pays. I don't see a problem with a small group of "close-knit" people with similar beliefs objecting to something they feel goes against their religious beliefs. Especially when the consequence is to pay for a specific contraceptive yourself. It's not like they are objecting to open-heart surgery.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Is having the ability to get health care in general from your employer a basic human right? Is the ability to have your contraceptives in general or the "morning after" pill in specific as a part of your health plan offered at work a basic human right?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:22 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Paul,<br><br>Is your UI healthcare free or is it part of your employment compensation?<br><br>Sunil</span><u></u><u></u></p><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-align:center">
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From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.<br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Which right is being restricted, a woman's right to free contraceptives?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 1, 2014 6:07 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">I couldn't disagree more. <br><br>Roe recognized a woman's right to privacy. Hobby Lobby creates religious rights for legal fictions, and restricts the rights of flesh-and-blood people. HL is not about restricting the power of government and it's naive to think that's its objective. If the government were restricting birth control, as it once did, this majority would have no objection to that exercise of government power.<br>
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</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 01:20:24 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Comparing Burwell v Hobby to Roe v Wade I don't see inconsistency in rulings. In both cases the rulings restricted the power of the government.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:14:44 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Great points, Rose, and I’m afraid I agree with your assessment. Thank you for pointing out the obvious even if it’s uncomfortable some.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">It’s long past time for SCOTUS to have to adhere to the same code of ethics federal judges must adhere to.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Saundra</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rosemary Huskey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 30, 2014 2:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Bias, or perhaps I should say, a predisposition, to adopt a certain philosophical approach to legal issues may be shaped by private values that we trust and hold dear. In light of the Supreme Court decision supporting the Hobby Lobby owners refusal to provide forms of birth control they claim to be at odds with their religious beliefs, I wondered if the court was persuaded not by legal arguments but by their own religious affiliations. Were any of the five male justices associated with religious groups that uphold the doctrine of patriarchy, i.e., do they attend churches that deny women ministerial or priesthood roles. Guess what? Justice Roberts, Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, and Justice Alito are Roman Catholic. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">In contrast, when the decision concerning Roe v Wade was announced in 1973 eight of the nine male justices were members of main stream Protestant churches. There may or may not be a direct correlation between religion affiliation and legal opinions, but it is my firm belief that unearned gender privilege nurtured in the cradle, and deferred to in the church certainly creates an atmosphere that celebrates and bestows unique privilege for male members. And, what could possibly more be patriarchal than controlling women’s reproductive choices?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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