<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>By "legitimate" I mean they really believe it, as opposed to those that just say they do in order to get out of having to pay for something. I'm not sure how you test for it, though.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I'm not a theologian, so I'll skip the second question. Is it pertinent?<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica
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'vision 2020' <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 1, 2014 9:53 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6496681690"><style>#yiv6496681690 #yiv6496681690 --
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#yiv6496681690 </style><div><div class="yiv6496681690WordSection1"><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hey Paul, </span></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Help me to understand what a “legitimate” religious belief means. Can one have an illegitimate religious belief? And, further, explain why/how one religious belief trumps another.</span></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Rose</span></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6496681690yqt6799825492" id="yiv6496681690yqt05015"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 9:11 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Gary Crabtree<br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Yep, that seems to be how it's looked at. That's one of the reasons I'm such a pariah on this list, I think. From my perspective, both major parties are far on the statist side of the statist / individualist axis. I'm on the individualist side, which is why I'm wondering why someone can't just pay for their own contraceptives if their employer objects to having it on their company's health care plan for legitimate religious reasons.</span></div></div><div><div
class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Paul</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Gary Crabtree <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> Sunil <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>; vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:55 AM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div id="yiv6496681690"><div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Mr. Rumelhart please, from the statist perspective it's only a right if it can in some way be inflicted on someone else. Either by
making others pay for it or by forcing the participation of those who would otherwise demure.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">g</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">
</span></div></div><div id="yiv6496681690yqt93064"><div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Which right is being restricted, a woman's right to free contraceptives?</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Paul</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="">From:</span></b><span style=""> Sunil <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 1, 2014 6:07 AM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">I couldn't disagree more. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Roe recognized a woman's right to privacy. Hobby Lobby creates religious rights for legal fictions, and restricts the rights of flesh-and-blood people. HL is not about restricting the power of government and it's naive to think
that's its objective. If the government were restricting birth control, as it once did, this majority would have no objection to that exercise of government power.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sunil</span></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br clear="none">Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 01:20:24 -0600<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">Comparing Burwell v Hobby to Roe v Wade I don't see inconsistency in rulings. In both cases the rulings restricted the power of the government.</span></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br clear="none">Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:14:44 -0700<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span></div><div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Great points, Rose, and I’m afraid I agree with your assessment. Thank you for pointing out the obvious even if it’s uncomfortable some.</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div
class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">It’s long past time for SCOTUS to have to adhere to the same code of ethics federal judges must adhere to.</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Saundra</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor;"><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="">From:</span></b><span style=""> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rosemary Huskey<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 30, 2014 2:49 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.</span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Bias, or perhaps I should say, a predisposition, to adopt a certain philosophical approach to legal issues may be shaped by private values that we trust and hold dear. In light of the Supreme Court decision supporting the Hobby Lobby owners refusal to provide forms of birth control they claim to be at odds with their religious beliefs, I wondered if the court was persuaded not by legal arguments but by their own religious affiliations. Were any of the five male justices associated with religious groups that uphold the doctrine of patriarchy, i.e., do they attend churches that deny women ministerial or priesthood roles. Guess what? Justice Roberts, Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, and Justice Alito are Roman Catholic. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">In contrast, when the decision concerning Roe v Wade was announced in 1973 eight of the nine male justices were members of main stream Protestant churches. There may or may not be a direct correlation between religion affiliation and legal opinions, but it is my firm belief that unearned gender privilege nurtured in the cradle, and deferred to in the church certainly creates an atmosphere that celebrates and bestows unique privilege for male members. And, what could possibly more be patriarchal than controlling women’s reproductive choices?</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv6496681690MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Rose Huskey</span></div></div><div><div
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