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Does an employer really have a responsibility to provide a health
plan with the "morning after" pill to their employees? We're not
talking about denying them health care, just one of a few
contraceptives they have a problem with. They can get their own
insurance, or they can find another job, or they can pony up the
cash for the pills themselves, or they can choose to use another
form of contraception.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure why this issue has to be seen as such a catastrophe.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 07/01/2014 12:55 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br>
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<div>It would NOT be forced upon people (the blood-and-bone type),
but required of for-profit corporations.</div>
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<div>Once a group of people (family or otherwise) decide to
incorporate themselves into a for-profit venture, they acquire
certain commitments and responsibilities (now there's a word I
haven't seen associated with this thread) <b>TO THEIR EMPLOYEES</b>.
Among these commitments and responsibilities is the obligation
to provide sufficient health insurance to ensure their (the
employees) health, both day-to-day and long term.</div>
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<div>To expand on Saundra's comments . . .</div>
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<div>Could you imagine being a sole-parent (with one or two
children . . . thanks to a dead-beat, hit- and-run father of the
children) in Idaho . . . hustling (waiting on) tables at a
restaurant . . . for minimum wage (a job is a job when no other
jobs are available) getting paid $4/hour (as the employer
estimates that you make $1/hour in tips (which is deductible
from your paycheck . . . Isn't Idaho wonderful?) . . . and now
your employer tells you that (s)he will no longer cover
contraception . . . because their (the employer's) accountant
has introduced them to the benefits if religious freedom.<br>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya
'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow
Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom
Hansen</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow,
Idaho</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's
room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But
first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If
you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">-
John Lennon</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div>
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On Jul 1, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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<div><span>Protecting the religious freedom of close-knit
family-owned businesses who profess a particular faith,
yeah.</span></div>
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you could work on convincing me why forcing your
employer to cover contraception is such a desirable
thing that you would willingly force people who equate
it with murder to do so.<br>
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Paul Rumelhart <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Rosemary Huskey <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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vision 2020 <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, July 1, 2014 12:17 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.<br>
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<div>So, the bottom line is to deny female
employees health insurance coverage for
contraception . . . while protecting the
religious freedom of for-profit corporations?</div>
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<div>While you are attempting to create a witty
comeback . . .</div>
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<div>I am going to check my mail at the campus
post office. Cover me!<br clear="none">
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<div><span style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow,
because . . .</span></div>
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<div><span style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun
you can have with your pants on)</span></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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<div><span style="">Tom Hansen</span></div>
<div><span style="">Moscow, Idaho</span></div>
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<div><span style="">"There's room at the top
they are telling you still.</span></div>
<div><span style="">But first you must learn how
to smile as you kill,</span></div>
<div><span style="">If you want to be like the
folks on the hill."</span></div>
<div><span style=""><br clear="none">
</span></div>
<div><span style="">- John Lennon</span></div>
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On Jul 1, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Paul Rumelhart
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<div><span>I can't see into the hearts of
the hobby lobby owners as well as you
apparently can. I think there is
quite a difference between having a
mutual fund that is part of your
retirement portfolio buying stock in a
company that makes an item that they
find morally objectionable and
directly paying to allow their
employees to purchase and use said
item. It's also possible that they
don't make the distinction between
whether or not a fertilized egg has
attached to the uterine wall; they may
think that life begins and
fertilization and feel the same way
about eggs that naturally fail to
attach to the uterine wall as they do
about natural miscarriages, i.e. they
think it's a bad thing and they
certainly don't condone trying to make
it happen intentionally. But then, as
I say, I have no idea what they are
really thinking or really believe.<br
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I weigh someone having to fork over
money for their own contraceptives vs.
someone who might legitimately believe
that they should not be enabling what
they consider murder, I have to fall
on the side of Hobby Lobby and the
other plaintiffs in this particular
case despite the fact that I don't
share their concerns about
contraceptives nor do I share their
religious beliefs. The affected
employees can buy their own
contraceptives, purchase a private
plan that includes them or switch
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Rosemary Huskey <<a
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'vision 2020' <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:05 AM<br
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RE: [Vision2020] A fine point,
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style="font-size:11.0pt;">And,
by what means can a court,
or an employer
distinguish between
really believing vs fakey
believing? For example,
a closely held company
invests in corporations
that produce medication or
devices that prevent
conception. Let’s
identify that company as <a
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href="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers">Hobby
Lobby</a>. (Please read
the link). Do you suppose
that their recent law suit
was related to actual
moral objections? Did they
suddenly starting giving a
hoot about the issue two
years ago? Or, do you
think that their law suit
might have political
objectives? If past
actions are any indication
they have (by their own
recently adopted
standards) loosey goosey
ethics. And, because the
medical community (who
actually know more about
the medicine than the
judges, the attorneys, and
the Green Family) does not
considered the medication
or devices <a
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why were the opinion of
experts ignored in favor
of a conservative
political agenda? In the
meantime, since we can
only guess at the
intensity of a religious
commitment – I call out
the Green family as
hypocritical political
opportunists and the five
justices as patriarchal
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Paul Rumelhart [<a
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<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, July 01,
2014 10:14 AM<br
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<b>To:</b> Rosemary
Huskey; 'Gary
Crabtree'<br
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<b>Cc:</b> 'vision
2020'<br
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<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] A fine
point, perhaps.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">By
"legitimate" I mean
they really believe
it, as opposed to
those that just say
they do in order to
get out of having to
pay for something.
I'm not sure how you
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<b>To:</b> 'Paul
Rumelhart' <<a
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'Gary Crabtree'
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<b>Cc:</b>
'vision 2020'
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<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, July 1,
2014 9:53 AM<br
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RE: [Vision2020]
A fine point,
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understand
what a
“legitimate”
religious
belief means.
Can one have
an
illegitimate
religious
belief? And,
further,
explain
why/how one
religious
belief trumps
another.</span><span
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<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul
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<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, July
01, 2014 9:11
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span><span
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style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Yep, that
seems to be
how it's
looked at.
That's one of
the reasons
I'm such a
pariah on this
list, I
think. From
my
perspective,
both major
parties are
far on the
statist side
of the statist
/
individualist
axis. I'm on
the
individualist
side, which is
why I'm
wondering why
someone can't
just pay for
their own
contraceptives
if their
employer
objects to
having it on
their
company's
health care
plan for
legitimate
religious
reasons.</span><span
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<b>To:</b>
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1, 2014 8:55
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Re:
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span><span
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Mr. Rumelhart please, from the
statist
perspective
it's only a
right if it
can in some
way be
inflicted on
someone else.
Either by
making others
pay for it or
by forcing the
participation
of those who
would
otherwise
demure.</span></div>
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Paul Rumelhart
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being
restricted, a
woman's right
to free
contraceptives?</span><span
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Sunil <<a
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<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, July
1, 2014 6:07
AM<br
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">I couldn't disagree more. <br
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Roe recognized
a woman's
right to
privacy. Hobby
Lobby creates
religious
rights for
legal
fictions, and
restricts the
rights of
flesh-and-blood
people. HL is
not about
restricting
the power of
government and
it's naive to
think that's
its objective.
If the
government
were
restricting
birth control,
as it once
did, this
majority would
have no
objection to
that exercise
of government
power.<br
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Sunil</span></div>
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Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Comparing Burwell v Hobby to
Roe v Wade I
don't see
inconsistency
in rulings.
In both cases
the rulings
restricted the
power of the
government.</span></div>
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Jun 2014
17:14:44 -0700<br
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Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Great points, Rose, and I’m
afraid I agree
with your
assessment.
Thank you for
pointing out
the obvious
even if it’s
uncomfortable
some.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">It’s long past time for SCOTUS
to have to
adhere to the
same code of
ethics federal
judges must
adhere to.</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Rosemary
Huskey<br
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<b>Sent:</b>
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30, 2014 2:49
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<b>Subject:</b>
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">Bias, or perhaps I should say,
a
predisposition,
to adopt a
certain
philosophical
approach to
legal issues
may be shaped
by private
values that we
trust and hold
dear. In
light of the
Supreme Court
decision
supporting the
Hobby Lobby
owners refusal
to provide
forms of birth
control they
claim to be at
odds with
their
religious
beliefs, I
wondered if
the court was
persuaded not
by legal
arguments but
by their own
religious
affiliations.
Were any of
the five male
justices
associated
with religious
groups that
uphold the
doctrine of
patriarchy,
i.e., do they
attend
churches that
deny women
ministerial or
priesthood
roles. Guess
what? Justice
Roberts,
Justice
Scalia,
Justice
Thomas, and
Justice Alito
are Roman
Catholic. </span></div>
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style="background:white;"><span style="">In contrast, when the decision
concerning Roe
v Wade was
announced in
1973 eight of
the nine male
justices were
members of
main stream
Protestant
churches.
There may or
may not be a
direct
correlation
between
religion
affiliation
and legal
opinions, but
it is my firm
belief that
unearned
gender
privilege
nurtured in
the cradle,
and deferred
to in the
church
certainly
creates an
atmosphere
that
celebrates and
bestows unique
privilege for
male members.
And, what
could possibly
more be
patriarchal
than
controlling
women’s
reproductive
choices?</span></div>
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