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I made no disparaging remarks about you personally. I didn't try
to imply that you had something wrong with you because you thought
a certain way, I made no insinuations about you in any way. You
may have found it offensive, but you cannot categorize it as an
attack on you.<br>
<br>
So which right *is* being restricted? Since we are on the subject.<br>
<br>
What if it was a company objecting to paying for homeopathy
treatments? Shouldn't employers have a lot to say about what is
in the benefit packages they provide to their employees?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 07/01/2014 05:41 PM, Sunil wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Paul,<br>
<br>
I'll bet I'm not the only person who found this offensive:<br>
<br>
'<span>Which right is being restricted, a woman's right to free
contraceptives?'<br>
<br>
Maybe people unload on you when you say things that Rush
Limbaugh does. Don't put on your martyr hat when you say that
and people respond.<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:23:39 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine point, perhaps.<br>
<br>
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It's statements like these that I'm objecting to:<br>
<br>
"<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">...of
course it’s of no consequence to <b>you</b> that..."</span><br>
<br>
"...<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">but
it’s good to know you belong in the “tyranny of the
bigots” category..."<br>
<br>
"...</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">why
on earth should you care that</span>..."<br>
<br>
Are they really necessary? Can't we discuss the issues
without getting personal?<br>
<br>
In response to your question, when I look at my latest pay
stub (posted for the 3rd of June), I see a line item for "<span
class="ecxfieldformattext">Employer Contribution for
Benefits". It's about $350 in my case, paid by the
employer per biweek.</span> I also see employer amounts
for "Pre-Tax Health Savings Account" (their match for the
amount I'm putting in my HSA), and "Long" and "Short Term
Disability Coverage". Also Medicare, but all employers have
to pay FHI if I remember correctly.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
On 07/01/2014 01:44 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I
was hoping we could actually discuss your thinking
without you playing your predictable “why is everybody
always picking on me” card to avoid discussing
statements you make that you want us to just blindly
accept. I don’t think pointing out the flaws,
limitations, and obvious conclusions of your thinking
are personal insults, but I’m sorry if your
sensitivities made you feel as though they were
because that wasn’t my intention.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Just
as, I assume, you weren’t intending to personally
insult those of us with concerns about guns on campus
by calling our concerns “irrational fears,” or a lot
of other comments you’ve made that might have felt
like personal attacks if you were on the receiving
end. What’s that saying? Something about people in
glass houses . . . </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">So,
let’s try this <b>one</b> point again:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Paul
wrote:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">It's
subsidized by everyone who pays into it, plus what the
employer pays.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">My
response is that your statement is incorrect:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The
last time I checked, <b>my husband and I </b>paid
100% of the cost of <b>my</b> health insurance
through the UI, and that’s the way it was for all
state employees the last time I checked. That’s been
the trend, too, with private sector employer-based
health insurance for a <b>number of years</b>, as
well as eroding the percentage of employer subsidy for
the employee. Indeed, there are more than a few
employers who offer absolutely no health insurance
subsidy for employees – their position is that their
“subsidy” is allowing the employee the benefit of
being a part of a larger group that gets a lower rate.</span>”</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">What
say you?</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Saundra</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;">
Paul Rumelhart [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 1:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point,
perhaps.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><br>
Well, I was hoping we could discuss this without the
personal insults. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 07/01/2014 12:21 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Paul
wrote:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">It's
subsidized by everyone who pays into it, plus what
the employer pays.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Boy,
you sure are out of touch with how modern
employer-based health insurance is paid! Keep
current, Paul, rather than disseminate long outdated
sound bites. </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The
last time I checked, <b>my husband and I </b>paid
100% of the cost of <b>my</b> health insurance
through the UI, and that’s the way it was for all
state employees the last time I checked. That’s
been the trend, too, with private sector
employer-based health insurance for a <b>number of
years</b>, as well as eroding the percentage of
employer subsidy for the employee. Indeed, there
are more than a few employers who offer absolutely
no health insurance subsidy for employees – their
position is that their “subsidy” is allowing the
employee the benefit of being a part of a larger
group that gets a lower rate.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Paul
also wrote:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">I
don't see a problem with a small group of
"close-knit" people with similar beliefs objecting
to something they feel goes against their religious
beliefs.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Of
course you don’t, but it’s good to know you belong
in the “tyranny of the bigots” category that thinks
that anyone should be able to impose their religious
beliefs on those with different beliefs, which
certainly contradicts a lot of the positions you’ve
stated on V2020. I’m in the category of thinking
that people are free to believe whatever they want,
but they don’t have the right to force their
religious beliefs on me.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Too,
why on earth should you care that about 90% of
companies in America responsible for employing
approximately 52% of working Americans qualify as
“small closely-held” companies that can now use
wholly false religious bigotry to deny access to
necessary health care for female employees and
employees with female family members? That may be
the America you want to live in, but it isn’t the
one the majority of Americans want to live in.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Paul
also wrote:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Especially
when the consequence is to pay for a specific
contraceptive yourself.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Once
again, your gender ignorance and economic
insensitivity would be stunning had you not
exhibited them so many times before.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Yes,
the American way is to force female crime victims to
bear the cost of being raped by men, isn’t it, Paul,
and that religious American ideal should be
preserved at all costs, shouldn’t it? It’s also the
American way relegate “immoral” women to forced
breeder status when they have sex, isn’t it?</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And,
of course it’s of no consequence to <b>you</b> that
the cost of an IUD for women for whom that form of
birth control is most appropriate is about a month’s
wage for lower paid employees without health
insurance . . . or for plans that exclude coverage
for women. That may be economically feasible for <b>you</b>
since <b>you</b> don’t fall into that category, but
here’s a news flash for you: that is as financially
impossible for many women, particularly women who
have children to feed & clothe. Yet you find it
appropriate for religious bigots to punish women
& children in an attempt to coerce “moral”
behavior out of those uppity women.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Of
course, a viable alternative <b>might have been</b>
to direct those women to non-profit family planning
clinics like Planned Parenthood where contraceptives
are more affordable. At least, that <b>might</b>
have been a viable alternative before the Religious
Right started its war on women. Oops – guess that’s
not a viable alternative for a lot of women anymore.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Saundra</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Moscow,
ID</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Our
lives begin to end the day we become silent about
things that matter.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">~
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 01, 2014 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sunil; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine point,
perhaps.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Yes,
you're right. It's not free. It's subsidized
by everyone who pays into it, plus what the
employer pays. I don't see a problem with a
small group of "close-knit" people with similar
beliefs objecting to something they feel goes
against their religious beliefs. Especially
when the consequence is to pay for a specific
contraceptive yourself. It's not like they are
objecting to open-heart surgery.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Is
having the ability to get health care in general
from your employer a basic human right? Is the
ability to have your contraceptives in general
or the "morning after" pill in specific as a
part of your health plan offered at work a basic
human right?</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Paul</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";">
Sunil <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:22 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] A fine
point, perhaps.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Paul,<br>
<br>
Is your UI healthcare free or is it
part of your employment compensation?<br>
<br>
Sunil</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Date:
Tue, 1 Jul 2014 08:03:00 -0700<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A fine
point, perhaps.<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Which
right is being restricted, a
woman's right to free
contraceptives?</span></p>
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style="background:white;"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";">
Sunil <<a
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href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> vision 2020 <<a
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July
1, 2014 6:07 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Vision2020] A fine point,
perhaps.</span></p>
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style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">I
couldn't disagree
more. <br>
<br>
Roe recognized a
woman's right to
privacy. Hobby Lobby
creates religious
rights for legal
fictions, and
restricts the rights
of flesh-and-blood
people. HL is not
about restricting the
power of government
and it's naive to
think that's its
objective. If the
government were
restricting birth
control, as it once
did, this majority
would have no
objection to that
exercise of government
power.<br>
<br>
Sunil</span></p>
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style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">From:
<a
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href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a><br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>;
<a
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul
2014 01:20:24 -0600<br>
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] A fine
point, perhaps.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Comparing
Burwell v Hobby
to Roe v Wade I
don't see
inconsistency in
rulings. In
both cases the
rulings
restricted the
power of the
government.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">From:
<a
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href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:donaldrose@cpcinternet.com">donaldrose@cpcinternet.com</a>;
<a
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Mon, 30
Jun 2014
17:14:44 -0700<br>
Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span></p>
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<p
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style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Great
points, Rose,
and I’m afraid
I agree with
your
assessment.
Thank you for
pointing out
the obvious
even if it’s
uncomfortable
some.</span></p>
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<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">It’s
long past time
for SCOTUS to
have to adhere
to the same
code of ethics
federal judges
must adhere
to.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Saundra</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a
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href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Rosemary
Huskey<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Monday, June
30, 2014 2:49
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Vision2020] A
fine point,
perhaps.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">Bias,
or perhaps I
should say, a
predisposition,
to adopt a
certain
philosophical
approach to
legal issues
may be shaped
by private
values that we
trust and hold
dear. In
light of the
Supreme Court
decision
supporting the
Hobby Lobby
owners refusal
to provide
forms of birth
control they
claim to be at
odds with
their
religious
beliefs, I
wondered if
the court was
persuaded not
by legal
arguments but
by their own
religious
affiliations.
Were any of
the five male
justices
associated
with religious
groups that
uphold the
doctrine of
patriarchy,
i.e., do they
attend
churches that
deny women
ministerial or
priesthood
roles. Guess
what? Justice
Roberts,
Justice
Scalia,
Justice
Thomas, and
Justice Alito
are Roman
Catholic. </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";">In
contrast, when
the decision
concerning Roe
v Wade was
announced in
1973 eight of
the nine male
justices were
members of
main stream
Protestant
churches.
There may or
may not be a
direct
correlation
between
religion
affiliation
and legal
opinions, but
it is my firm
belief that
unearned
gender
privilege
nurtured in
the cradle,
and deferred
to in the
church
certainly
creates an
atmosphere
that
celebrates and
bestows unique
privilege for
male members.
And, what
could possibly
more be
patriarchal
than
controlling
women’s
reproductive
choices?</span></p>
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Huskey</span></p>
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