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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>How would the professors know if students are carrying a concealed weapons (whether legally or illegally)? Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm<br>To: moscowlocksmith@gmail.com<br>Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; nielsen@uidaho.edu<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Well, I don’t suppose we should expect you to be logically coherent <b>or</b> honest, should we?</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">A professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with someone carrying a firearm is absolutely NO different than a pharmacist refusing to sell legal contraceptives or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical service, and I think you know that. And, it’s certainly no different than the so-called conscience clause “legal discrimination” laws the GOP & TPers have been working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the sane amongst us.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">But, acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite most of us already know you to be. So, go ahead, Gary . . . break out of your mold and give <b>honesty</b> a try!</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">S</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br><b>Cc:</b> Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen@uidaho.edu); vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Professors do have a "conscience clause." They are not forced to carry and they are free to never go any place that they fear a firearm might be. Conscience protection affects what you do, not what others do. Such a clause protects a pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants but does not prevent his customers from acquiring them elsewhere or even possessing/using them in his presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's life in the womb but he can't force a woman to carry it to term. It would seem that a great many folks most enjoy rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome that can be inflicted on others.</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">g</p></div></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I read something about that, too. I know there are always two sides to<br>every story, but I was disappointed at the roadblocks being thrown up<br>for such a worthy project.<br><br>With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought up what I thought<br>was an interesting point: why don't professors have conscience clause<br>protection? I mean, the GOP is all for conscience clauses in all kinds<br>of insane situations, so why don't they extend that to professors? That<br>would actually make a lot more sense than all the arenas where the GOP<br>advocates them.<br><br>But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't it: it would make<br>sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern" GOP and TPers seem to<br>exhibit very often.<br><br><br>Saundra<br><br>On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>)<br>wrote:<br>><br>> I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that puppies-in-training for guide<br>> dogs will not be permitted in University of Idaho classrooms because they<br>> might become dangerous to the students.<br>><br>> How about a compromise here? Since guns will now be allowed in the same<br>> classrooms, couldn’t we depend on those students carrying guns to shoot<br>> any puppy that shows signs of becoming dangerous?<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>> mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<br><br><br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</p></blockquote></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div></div><br>=======================================================
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