<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The state of Georgia, who recently passed a law permitting guns virtually everywhere, WILL NOT ALLOW guns on college campuses. Even Georgia realizes that the line has got to be drawn somewhere.<br><br><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On May 26, 2014, at 12:34 PM, "Saundra Lund" <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">By going back to the <b>sane and sensible</b> position that firearms aren’t allowed on campus, which has worked perfectly fine in Idaho until now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Scott Dredge [<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2014 12:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; 'Gary Crabtree'<br><b>Cc:</b> viz; 'Nielsen, Ralph'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">How would the professors know if students are carrying a concealed weapons (whether legally or illegally)? Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="stopSpelling"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700<br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well, I don’t suppose we should expect you to be logically coherent <b>or</b> honest, should we?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with someone carrying a firearm is absolutely NO different than a pharmacist refusing to sell legal contraceptives or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical service, and I think you know that. And, it’s certainly no different than the so-called conscience clause “legal discrimination” laws the GOP & TPers have been working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the sane amongst us.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But, acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite most of us already know you to be. So, go ahead, Gary . . . break out of your mold and give <b>honesty</b> a try!</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">S</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Gary Crabtree [<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br><b>Cc:</b> Nielsen, Ralph (<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>); <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Professors do have a "conscience clause." They are not forced to carry and they are free to never go any place that they fear a firearm might be. Conscience protection affects what you do, not what others do. Such a clause protects a pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants but does not prevent his customers from acquiring them elsewhere or even possessing/using them in his presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's life in the womb but he can't force a woman to carry it to term. It would seem that a great many folks most enjoy rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome that can be inflicted on others.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">g<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I read something about that, too. I know there are always two sides to<br>every story, but I was disappointed at the roadblocks being thrown up<br>for such a worthy project.<br><br>With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought up what I thought<br>was an interesting point: why don't professors have conscience clause<br>protection? I mean, the GOP is all for conscience clauses in all kinds<br>of insane situations, so why don't they extend that to professors? That<br>would actually make a lot more sense than all the arenas where the GOP<br>advocates them.<br><br>But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't it: it would make<br>sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern" GOP and TPers seem to<br>exhibit very often.<br><br><br>Saundra<br><br>On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>)<br>wrote:<br>><br>> I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that puppies-in-training for guide<br>> dogs will not be permitted in University of Idaho classrooms because they<br>> might become dangerous to the students.<br>><br>> How about a compromise here? 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