<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Dancing?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>You are equating not wanting to militarize campus security with murder-suicides being considered "acceptable behavior".</span></div><div
 style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I'm not the one dancing here.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Paul<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
 Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 23, 2014 9:06 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college campuses adapting policies to new gun law<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv8303814644"><div><div>Mr. Rumelhart -</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I don't dance.  I suggest you find another
 partner.</div><div><br clear="none"><div><span style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style=""><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="">  </span></div><div><div><span style="">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span
 style="">  </span></div></div><div class="yiv8303814644yqt2416121332" id="yiv8303814644yqt35689"><div><br clear="none">On May 23, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div>Um... no?  </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">I thought I was suggesting that the militarization of campus security was not the correct direction to take on this issue.<br
 clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Paul<br clear="none"></div>  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
 href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 23, 2014 8:38 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college campuses adapting policies to new gun law<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv8303814644y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv8303814644"><div><div>Are you suggesting, Mr. Rumelhart, that, as the new law goes into affect, it should be considered acceptable behavior for somebody who expresses a desire to commit suicide to bring a handgun on campus, conceivably to kill
 others before taking his/her own life?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><span style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"Moscow Cares" </span></div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style=""><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="">  </span></div><div><div><span style="">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span
 style="">  </span></div></div><div class="yiv8303814644yqt2535646839" id="yiv8303814644yqt28292"><div><br clear="none">On May 23, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div>I believe that's the point I was trying to make.  It can happen now.  Regardless, is the correct response really to militarize campus security?  That seems like an awfully statist approach to me.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
 Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Paul<br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13.3333px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div>  <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Hansen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
 ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 23, 2014 7:42 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college campuses adapting policies to new gun law<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv8303814644y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv8303814644"><div><div style=""><span></span></div><div><div><span style="">In my opinion, NIC is not "freaking out", since an individual, who was "</span><span style="">talking about
 dying and not being afraid to die",</span><span style=""> was recently arrested on campus with a gun.</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.khq.com/story/24685956/man-with-gun-arrested-on-north-idaho-college-campus">http://www.khq.com/story/24685956/man-with-gun-arrested-on-north-idaho-college-campus</a></span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style=""><span style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style=""><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div style=""><span style="">  </span></div><div style=""><div><span
 style="">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="">Moscow,
 Idaho</span></div></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style="">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div style=""><span style="">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div style=""><span style="">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style="">- John Lennon</span></div><div style=""><span style="">  </span></div></div><div style=""><br clear="none">On May 23, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite" style=""><div>
  
    
  
  
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      In my personal opinion, the University of Idaho appears to be
      taking a rational approach to this while NIC appears to be
      freaking out about it.  Bullet proof vests?  Really?  Arming their
      security personnel?  If a few retired police officers and enhanced
      concealed carry permit holders frighten them so much I almost hate
      to bring up the thought that criminals don't necessarily follow
      the gun laws on campuses and that there might be people with guns
      on campus RIGHT NOW!  Let's hope that the NIC leadership doesn't
      read this.  Tanks are expensive.<br clear="none">
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      On 05/23/2014 04:24 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:<br clear="none">
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                <h1 style="font-size:28px;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;clear:both;line-height:1.2;overflow:visible;">After losing in Legislature, Idaho
                  college campuses adapting policies to new gun law</h1>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Public
                    colleges and universities in Idaho are getting ready
                    to comply with a new state law they strongly
                    opposed: allowing concealed weapons to be carried
                    on campus.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The law
                    takes effect July 1 and applies to people with an
                    enhanced license to carry concealed weapons, along
                    with retired law enforcement officers. College
                    leaders universally opposed the law, but pro-gun
                    rights lawmakers pushed it through the Legislature
                    this year.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Now
                    college administrators and campus security
                    departments are preparing for the new reality: guns
                    in lecture halls, labs, offices, cafeterias –
                    everywhere but dormitories and entertainment venues
                    with seating for more than 1,000, like stadiums
                    and auditoriums.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“We
                    intend to follow the law. Really we don’t discuss
                    the merits of the law. That was done, the law
                    passed. We’re talking about implementation,” said
                    Matt Dorschel, executive director of public safety
                    and security at the University of Idaho in Moscow.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Higher
                    education leaders are revising campus weapons
                    policies to comply with the new law, although bans
                    on openly carrying guns are expected to remain
                    in effect.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Some
                    colleges also plan to beef up their security. North
                    Idaho College in Coeur d’Alene will provide its
                    security officers with bulletproof vests plus
                    training related to concealed weapon laws, and it
                    may expand its seven-person security force by one
                    full-time and one part-time position.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">NIC also
                    is mulling whether to arm its security workers for
                    the first time, said Alex Harris, director of
                    student development.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“I
                    don’t know if we’ll go that direction, but it’s
                    definitely out there and we’re considering it,”
                    Harris said.</span></div>
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                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Another
                    option, he said, is to work with the Coeur d’Alene
                    Police Department to station a school resource
                    officer on campus, similar to the officers present
                    in middle and high schools.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">All
                    of these measures are unforeseen expenses at a time
                    of budget cuts due to falling enrollment, Harris
                    said. NIC’s enrollment this year dropped 11 percent
                    from the previous school year – a trend that
                    corresponds to the improving economy.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The
                    vests will cost about $8,000, and arming and
                    training security officers would cost $10,000 a
                    year. The new security officers, or a school
                    resource officer, would cost about $60,000 a year.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“The
                    budget process this year, without this, has been
                    difficult for the campus as a whole,” Harris said.
                    “It does make for some tough decisions.”</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The
                    12,000-student University of Idaho anticipates no
                    significant changes for its security force. The
                    Moscow Police Department can respond quickly to
                    emergencies on campus, and a university task force
                    implementing the new law is not likely to recommend
                    arming campus security, Dorschel said.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“We
                    don’t think that anything about the law would impact
                    our need to have other armed responders on campus,”
                    he said.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">NIC’s
                    College Senate, which includes faculty, staff and
                    students, approved new language for the school’s
                    weapons policy last week. The president’s Cabinet is
                    expected to take the changes to the board of
                    trustees Wednesday, and the board will vote on the
                    changes by the end of June.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“The
                    policy is the easy part because basically we just
                    have to make sure we are abiding by the new state
                    law,” Harris said.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The
                    law allows colleges to continue to prohibit guns in
                    dormitories and public entertainment venues with a
                    seating capacity of at least 1,000. At NIC, that
                    covers three buildings: the student residence hall,
                    Christianson Gymnasium and the Schuler Performing
                    Arts Center in Boswell Hall.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">It’s
                    not clear yet if the new law also extends to college
                    facilities off campus. For NIC, that includes its
                    Workforce Training Center in Post Falls and
                    satellite centers in Sandpoint, Bonners Ferry and
                    Kellogg. NIC is awaiting a legal opinion on that.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The
                    UI task force is focused on updating the university
                    policy on weapons, such as identifying which
                    buildings would remain off-limits to guns, Dorschel
                    said. That includes residence halls for about 2,000
                    students, Memorial Gymnasium, the Kibbie Dome and a
                    ballroom in the student union building.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The
                    task force also is looking at whether to provide
                    more places for licensed weapons holders to store
                    their guns at times they cannot carry them. And the
                    group is exploring whether employees may ask someone
                    if they are carrying a concealed weapon.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“We
                    will make it clear that permit holders are not
                    required to disclose their status as a concealed
                    carry permit holder to another employee,”
                    Dorschel said.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Both
                    colleges will distribute answers to common questions
                    about the new law, such as whether one should alert
                    authorities if they see a gun.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“In
                    general, we don’t want people to hesitate or to
                    assume,” Harris said. “We’re responsible for the
                    safety of our students and our employees, and if
                    that requires us having an uncomfortable
                    conversation with someone who has a permit, then
                    we’ll do it.”</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">The
                    responsibilities of license holders to keep their
                    weapons concealed, and whether the law extends to
                    off-campus activities, are other points colleges
                    will attempt to address.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“We
                    want to make sure we don’t ignore questions that we
                    get from our community about how this works in
                    practice,” Dorschel said.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">People
                    have mixed feelings about guns on campus, Harris
                    said. Some believe the law will enhance safety
                    because those who are permitted to carry guns may be
                    able to respond to a threat, while others worry that
                    more armed responders will only complicate the job
                    of police and security officers.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">Also,
                    some employees have told the college they may be
                    more inclined to request a security officer attend
                    difficult conversations, such as terminating an
                    employee or talking with a student who is failing a
                    class, he said.</span></div>
                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">“I
                    think it’s a matter of taking the temperature once
                    this goes into effect and we start the fall semester
                    to see what things we need to address and how,”
                    Harris said.</span></div>
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                <div style="margin-bottom:21px;overflow:visible;"><span style="">North
                    Idaho College security officer Kelly Hopkins patrols
                    NIC Beach on Wednesday. The college is equipping its
                    security officers with bulletproof vests and is
                    considering arming them for the first time –
                    unforeseen expenses during falling enrollment and
                    budget cuts.</span></div>
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