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<DIV>Scott,</DIV>
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<DIV>The whole issue of racism for me is that so very often I need to examine my
own responses. I could take some comfort in the fact that most of my
generation is racist whether we acknowledge it or not. But I try not to do
that. And when I hear someone my age begin a statement with the assertion,
“I’m not racist, but...” I generally conclude they are and are in a self
delusional mode. But as you say, we cannot unring that bell, so what comes
next is a result of what has gone before and there seems not to be a productive
reason to look for a way to rationalize, excuse, or spring to Sterling’s
defense. And certainly I have no desire to do that. I
appreciated Leonard Pitts’ article in today’s Tribune, in which he
discusses the racist comments of Sterling and Bundy. He concludes with the
words, “But many of us don’t really understand what they purport to
condemn. Otherwise how could there be all this noise about that which
doesn’t matter and silence about that which does. Examples to which he
pointed: black vs. white prison sentences for similar crimes, the
execution rates of minority males, arrests based on skin color, the list goes
on..... </DIV>
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<DIV>And thanks for the kudos, deserved or not.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sue </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 03, 2014 12:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Sue,<BR><BR>Kudos to you for not knee jerking like so many others
when anyone cries 'racism' on a list server. I'm not all that thrilled
either about a private conversation being turned into a viral sensation and a
public relations nightmare. But there is no way to unring this bell and
the NBA needs to protect their billion dollar empire so things just move on to
the next phase of issuing the max penalty levied by the NBA (no brainer as
Donovan pointed out) and ultimately forcing Sterling to sell the team. I'm
guessing that V. Stiviano won't be able to find another billionaire sugar daddy
but might be able to land a good size payday for a tell all book. She
might also get a pretty penny for posing in a nudie magazine or
two.<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 17:56:51 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Sure, I know that. And Tinker wasn’t a good example for me to use for
that reason. But, I still think the application of the principal is
the same. Now folks are calling it a privacy issue. That’s
interesting. A goodly number are really selective about what constitutes a
right to privacy. If it’s a woman’s right to choose (for example) there is
no right to privacy, they say. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run
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<DIV dir=ltr>Sue,<BR><BR>The First Amendment was implicated in Tinker because
the school board is a state actor. It's not implicated here because the NBA is
not a state actor.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: scooterd408@hotmail.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:09:39 -0700<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Political correctness run amok<BR><BR>
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<DIV>But in Tinker v. Des Moines SD the issue was all about 1st Amendment Rights
and did not involve government censorship or prosecution...made clear in the
case...nevertheless the ruling was her first amendment rights “did not stop at
the school house door.” </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=scooterd408@hotmail.com
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">Scott Dredge</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">viz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Political correctness run
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<DIV dir=ltr>Donald Sterling's First Amendment rights are fully intact as he's
not facing censorship from the government and he's also not facing prosecution
for what he said in private. Apparently on the same tape, Sterling said 'I
love black people', but the conversation needs to be taking in totality and full
context and not reduced, as usual, to only a few sound bytes that resonate with
Tom Hansen rendering a verdict & decree.<BR><BR>Also interesting to note is
that the NAACP was planning to give Sterling a 2nd lifetime achievement award on
May 15th. Sterling received his first NAACP award 5 years ago.<BR><BR><A
href="http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award"
target=_blank>http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/donald-sterling-naacp-award</A><BR><BR>All
of this is so...what's the right phrase...black and white?<BR><BR>-Scott<BR>
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<DIV><BR>On Apr 29, 2014, at 3:19 PM, "Sue Hovey" <<A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>>
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<DIV>Frankly, I think he’s a “dirty old man” with a great looking young woman
friend, and his prejudices and bigotry extend far beyond what he has just
said. Even so, it would seem to me he has a First Amendment right
to say what he thinks. Not knowing what the bylaws of the NBA say to
this issue, I do wonder how they can ban him from games when he owns the team,
and I imagine the courts will be asked to resolve that issue. If the KKK has a
First Amendment right to march down the streets of American cities (and I
don’t argue they do) then maybe Magic Johnson should just have to “suck it
up.” I believe the First Amendment is precious...and yes, there
are consequences for speech that harms, but we have to be very wary of
consequences for something that is purely speech and not overt behavior, which
is discrimination and often illegal. </DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps the NBA could look into the Cliven Bundy case and remove him from
his ranch just as Sterling has been removed from the Arena. Well maybe
their bylaws don’t extend that far. Damn. </DIV>
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<DIV>Sue H. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=rforce2003@yahoo.com
href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">Ron Force</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=moscowlocksmith@gmail.com
href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">Gary Crabtree</A> ; <A
title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>It wasn't just "black people" dude, it was Magic
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<DIV>Ron Force <BR>Moscow Idaho USA</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:59 PM, Gary
Crabtree <<A
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<DIV>The guy should be thanking his lucky stars that he wasn't illegally
taped stating that he believed that marriage should be between a man and a
women exclusively. They would be calling for a total confiscation of all his
worldly goods and a summary execution.</DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxyiv1557467982gmail_quote>On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM,
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Sterling has now been banned for life from games and practices by the NBA
and fined $2.5 million dollars. Why? Because he was recorded saying
bad things about black people in a PRIVATE conversation he was having with
his girlfriend. One that was very likely recorded illegally. Does
this strike anyone here as being over-the-top? Or am I the only one
not on the "OMG! He said bad things about black people!"
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