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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How about the psychological screening that’s required <b>before</b> one is accepted into POST (at least when a LE agency is footing the training bill)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Note: it’s possible not all LE agencies require the psych screening prior to POST, but the ones I’m familiar with all do. Please feel free to correct me if you know of police departments that don’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Act as if what you do makes a difference.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~ William James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Hansen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 28, 2014 9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart<br><b>Cc:</b> vision 2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] more guns on campus<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yes. Full and satisfactory completion of police academy training . . . to include "how to assault a fortified position" . . . unless you can prove that ALL situations are the same.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/"><span style='color:black'>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't know about the full police academy treatment, but more applicable training for enhanced carry permit holders seems like a good idea to me. I'm not talking about training in how to assault a fortified position or anything, but more training in how to use their specific weapon, what their responsibilities are, and how they are expected to react in a number of different situations would be a good idea. The more responsible. careful, and competent those permit holders are, the better for everyone (on campus or off).<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>; vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 28, 2014 8:08 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] more guns on campus</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1425625662><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Since the primary theme of the pro-guns-on-campus movement is the availability of an immediate armed contingent to respond to an armed-crazy on campus . . . until the police arrive . . . perhaps an applicant, prior to being issued a CCW permit, should satisfactorily complete polic training . . . instead of an 8-hour soiree with a for-profit "instructor".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:black'>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Moscow, Idaho<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>- John Lennon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv1425625662yqt99586><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:12 AM, "<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>What else is needed? The Constitution is the only reason the government exists, without it no other laws are valid. We can't just ignore it because the current meme is "guns are bad".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><div id="yiv1425625662_origMsg_"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>>; <br><b>To: </b>vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Vision2020] more guns on campus <br><b>Sent: </b>Fri, Mar 28, 2014 3:22:07 AM <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't say it that way because I want to be accurate. <br><br>What's your basis for saying the universities' policies are "unneeded restrictions on a students' Consitutionally-guaranteed right to bear arms."? I hope you're not going to just paste in the 2nd Amendment and nothing else, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you're going to do.<br><br>Sunil<o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv1425625662yqt78427><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=yiv1425625662stopSpelling></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:56:22 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] more guns on campus<br>To: <a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Instead of phrasing it as "taking away the Universities' ability to regulate guns on campus", why not phrase it "removing unneeded restrictions on a students' Consitutionally-guaranteed right to bear arms"? That's where I was coming from. There is no right specifically designated in the Constitution relating to cell phone usage or computer games or eating in class, unless I missed an amendment somewhere. That's the difference.<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Sunil <<a href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:00 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] more guns on campus</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1425625662ecxyiv6525843847><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Paul, <br><br>In all seriousness, what is your point regarding amendments and the new Idaho law taking away the universities' ability to regulate guns on campus? <br><br>Sunil<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:46:55 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] more guns on campus<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1425625662ecxyiv6525843847yqt78651><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Did they add some new amendments to the Constitution I'm unaware of?<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" target="_blank">rhayes@frontier.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:29 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] more guns on campus</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1425625662ecxyiv6525843847ecxyiv3865986523><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I was speaking with some of my professor friends yesterday. I asked, "If you are allowed to make classroom rules such as no cell phones, no computer games, no eating, how is it that you won't be able to say "no guns in my classroom?" I suggested going to the union and having a statewide walkout. Instead, two of these friends, who are extremely capable and long term professors said they are applying for posts in other states. For them, this is the straw (disrespect) that is breaking the camel's back.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<span class=MsoHyperlink>Vision2020@moscow.com</span><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>======================================================= List services made available by First Step Internet, serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a> ======================================================= <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1425625662ecxyqt88195><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> mailto:<span class=MsoHyperlink>Vision2020@moscow.com</span><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></table></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>