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<DIV>Janesta, I’m not real sure where you are going, but ordinances and
policies are unenforceable if they are in violation of a state law. I’m
sure you know this, so, I think I don’t get what you are trying to tell us.
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=janesta@gmail.com
href="mailto:janesta@gmail.com">Janesta</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2014 9:23 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Unanswered questions about guns on
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<DIV>Ok.. is it my brain? Seriously.. most of you know I had a tumor taken out,
and sometimes come off.. goofy, or, idiotic.. but.. really... a solution seems
simple to me. <BR><BR>I understand why the Presidents of the U's and other
people are upset. I get it.. But, why don't they fire back with a campus
ordinance?<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The following is from Arizona State University, located in one of only
three states in the nation with no concealed weapons law. Does ASU making a law
about guns, mean, it a state like Idaho has a law about guns on campus, the
university can't create a campus policy of their own?<BR></DIV>
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<DT>Weapon
<DD>Any object or substance designed to (or which would be reasonably expected
to) inflict a wound, cause injury, incapacitate, or cause death, including,
without limitation, all firearms (loaded and unloaded, simulated and real),
devices designed to expel a projectile (such as BB guns, air guns, pellet
guns, and potato guns), electronic control devices (such as Tasers or stun
guns), swords, knives with blades five inches or longer, martial arts weapons,
bows and arrows, and chemicals (such as Mace, tear gas, or oleoresin
capsicum), but excluding self-defense chemical repellents. The general public
may not possess chemical repellents labeled “for police use only” or “for law
enforcement use only.”</DD></DL>
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<DIV>Trying to understand,<BR>Janesta<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Tom Hansen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Courtesy of today's (March 21, 2014) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.</DIV>
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questions about guns on campus</SPAN></H1>
<P
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police discussing upcoming challenges of carrying concealed weapons</P></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Last week, Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter signed a controversial bill
allowing residents 21 and older to carry concealed weapons on campuses across
the state.</SPAN></DIV>
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<P
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many don't realize is it has never been a criminal offense for anyone carrying
a gun on campus and remains so under the new bill, said Moscow Police Chief
David Duke.</SPAN></P>
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<P
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guns on campus has never been illegal by state code," Duke said. He said it
was a policy of the university not to allow guns on campus, but it was not a
criminal act. Anyone carrying a weapon was approached by police, reminded of
campus rules and assisted in complying.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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July 1 there will be two classifications allowed to carry on campus: those
with an enhanced concealed weapons permit and retired police
officers.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV
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<P
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said an enhanced concealed carry is a step above a concealed weapons permit
and requires four hours of a legal training course developed using the
National Rifle Association standards along with four hours of practicum, which
requires shooting the weapon a minimum of 98 times but does not require any
specific percentage of that to be target shooting.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV
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<P
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is one of our concerns with trying to show proficiency with a weapon," Duke
said.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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said most likely the amount of target shooting would be left up to the
instructor of the course.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV
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<P
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bill, which was strongly opposed by all eight presidents of the colleges and
universities around the state, does not allow people to carry firearms within
dormitories and residence halls or any public entertainment facility with a
seating capacity of at least 1,000 individuals. It also outlines that carrying
a weapon while under the influence of drugs or alcohol is
unlawful.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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Bales, director of Integrated Communications for the University of Idaho, said
it is too soon to provide specific information about what the bill will mean
for the UI campus. She said concerns such as metal detectors on campus and
increased security are being discussed and deliberated.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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is a challenging issue to manage, but now that the bill becomes law we are in
the process of having that discussion and it involves stakeholders and the
larger UI community," Bales said.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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student leaders and police chiefs across the state were vocal about their
opposition to the legislation but were not allowed to testify at one of the
legislative hearings.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV
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<P
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said his main concern is the incidence of accidental discharge. He said if
students choose to carry in a handbag or backpack and throw the bag down, the
motion of the weapon could cause it to go off unexpectedly.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV
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<P
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is also concerned about vehicle theft and prowls as students now have the
option of locking up their weapons in their cars.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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it in the car might be an incentive for some people to go to campus to obtain
these weapons," Duke said.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
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aspect of public safety also comes into play. While weapons are not allowed in
public entertainment facilities during an event, such as the Kibbie Dome, they
are still allowed in parking lots and publicly accessible outdoor grounds,
which does not limit tailgating events.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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patrol these areas and respond to alcohol induced fights and we don't want to
inject a weapon into that," Duke said. "It is a major concern for
us."</SPAN></P></DIV>
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said the police department will be working as a contracted partner with the
university and will assist it in whatever direction it takes.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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UI President Chuck Staben made a statement regarding the new bill, saying the
university will be working with the Board of Regents, along with faculty,
staff, students, law enforcement and local officials to ensure a safe
atmosphere on campus.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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University of Idaho is committed to providing a safe, nurturing environment
for living, learning and teaching," Staben said.</SPAN></P>
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<DIV><SPAN>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants
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<DIV><SPAN>Tom Hansen</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Spokane, Washington</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</SPAN></DIV>
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