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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>You forgot to add 'Nuff Said!' which still leaves this thread dangling for someone to post an informed counterpoint although Area Man had already pre-emptively addressed this.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: thansen@moscow.com<br>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:24:29 -0800<br>To: bear@moscow.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] guns on campus<br><br><div><span></span></div><div><div>BULL-SH*T, Mr. Price.</div><div><br></div><div>During the course of public commentary last week, related to this bill, it was divulged that there is NOTHING in the bill that prevents on-campus open-carry.</div><div><br></div><div>Care to share (a direct quote from the bill) otherwise?</div><div><br></div><div>Qualification to obtain a concealed-carry permit amounts to nothing more than a clean record and completion of an 8-hour course (I'm not sure if that includes lunch or not)</div><div><br></div><div>What a joke!</div><div><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Wayne Price <<a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif;"><div style="line-height:1.5em;">"A <b>straw man</b>, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of the original topic of argument. To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.</div><div style="line-height:1.5em;">The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" implies an adversarial, polemic, or combative debate, and creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument, ("knock down a straw man,") instead of the original proposition."</div></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">And when a student enters a classroom and places his (or her) pocket knife on his (or her) desk how are the other students in the classroom expected to react? Or a water bottle that </span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="line-height:19px;font-size:13px;"><i>might </i></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">contain nitroglycerin? </span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif;">The legislature has spoken or don't you like the system of laws in the United States? The Fraternal Order of Police, and the Idaho Sheriff's Association have both backed this legislation or do you think that they don't know what they're talking about? Would you rather have an unelected state or city employee making the decision?</span><div><font class="ecxApple-style-span" face="sans-serif"><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">READ the actual legislation and see what it says. First of all, you have to have the enhanced permit or be a retired law enforcement officer. That means you're at least over 21 IF you have the permit. And there is 8 hours of training, and a specific range component to getting the permit. Don't you trust adults? And for all of the up roar over this issue, how many people are we actually talking about that </span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="line-height:19px;font-size:13px;"><i>are</i></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;"> carrying, as opposed to a mythical number of how many </span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="line-height:19px;font-size:13px;"><i>could </i></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">qualify to carry legally?<br></span><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif;"><div style="line-height:1.5em;"><br></div><div style="line-height:1.5em;">'nuff said</div><div style="line-height:1.5em;"><br></div><div style="line-height:1.5em;"><br></div><div style="line-height:1.5em;"><br></div></span><div><div>On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="auto"><div>When a student enters a classroom and places his Glock-9 on his desk, how are the other students in the classroom expected to react?<br><br><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">- John Lennon</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></div></div><div><br>On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:23 AM, "<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"><div>Let's all see what Butch Otter is made of. Anyone want to bet?<br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Meanwhile:</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"> People who work with students at U of I and other schools are rearranging their furniture to allow a quicker retreat from students carrying guns. </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">And...local police are contemplating how to tell the good gun totters from the bad ones. </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">And...there will be a rush to get enhanced permits at Tri-State and elsewhere, because, you know, everyone thinks they are the "good guys."</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">And...the lawyers at the universities will be mulling over institutional culpability when the impossible happens. </div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">And...ALEC and the NRA will gleefully be carving another notch in their guns.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">And we will take another step toward anarchy.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">This is "for mad men only."<br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:18.6667px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></div>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><span>=======================================================</span><br><span> List services made available by First Step Internet,</span><br><span> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a></span><br><span> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br><span>=======================================================</span></div></blockquote></div><br>=======================================================
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