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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’m going to cut to the chase first because I need to eat some crow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ummm....nope. I think I made it very clear below when I wrote verbatim that 'I'm in favor of investigative efforts by anyone that roots out wrongdoing.' If you feel that was an ambiguous statement, how would you reword it yourself to make it much more crisp, clear, and not prone to misinterpretation by yourself or others?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, Scott, I think rewording is unnecessary, but what is necessary is something you don’t have any control over, and that’s the reasonable assumption that your words will be correctly read by others. In this instance, I misread your statement – I somehow saw the word ‘other’ where it simply did not exist. <b>My sincere apologies, and I’m sorry your post is the whack upside my head I needed to remember the importance of reading with more care.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott also wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I'm fine with that analogy and if it's constitutionally sound, then violators of ag-gag and other anti-whistle blowing laws can rest safe knowing that they can use the 1st Amendment if being prosecuted for breaking those unconstitutional laws which would result in those laws being struck down. Nice to know.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s my interpretation of the issue, as well as others who are actual lawyers and know far more about the law & Constitutional issues than I’ve forgotten. It’s an issue that still has to be sorted out by the courts, though, and likely in every state that has capitulated to ALEC & agribusiness’ nonsense . . . if the history of equal treatment under the law is any indicator. AFAIK, the case filed in Utah is the first, so at this point employees and others have absolutely no protection from criminal prosecution in states that have stupidly adopted ag gag laws.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott also wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Is your statement above wrt 'having no objection to individuals documenting and reporting illegal activities' unequivocal or would you prefer that your employees follow your business's policies of reporting and documenting those alleged illegal activities first to you and/or to your HR department before perhaps unnecessarily taking these charges to the press and/or police in the event that such are unfounded and might do unnecessary harm to your business?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A preference is different than criminalizing not doing so, yes? I would <b>prefer</b> that employee concerns about and documentation of suspected illegal activities were brought first to me or HR, however I’m against making it criminal to not do so first . . . and I’m categorically against making it illegal for “normal” people to collect such evidence as ag gag – and other anti-whistleblower -- laws do. Since there are a lot of bottom feeder private and public employers out there, I can think of lots of reasons why going directly outside the “chain of command” could be the best – and safest – first step when dealing with suspected illegal activities, can’t you?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott also wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Good to know. Would you have any objections if Google (or any other search company) were to report alleged abuse when analyzing your internet searches? Same thing if the NSA searched through metadata? Seems like the ends would justify the means if such available information brought to light genuine abuse of any living thing close to you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So are you still vehemently against the NSA and companies who offer 'free' services scanning internet traffic of everyone including some very bad people who hurt (or intend to hurt) other people and other living creatures?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are you asking if I advocate Thought Police? If that’s the question, then the answer is a vehement NO. Looking/searching for information on a subject isn’t the same as participating in the subject of the re(search), is it? I guess I’m not clear what you’re asking, so can you please clarify?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also tend to reject “the ends justify the means” philosophies. I’m much more of a “do no evil that good may come” kind of gal. Warrantless searches (and I don’t count secret courts as legit, but that’s just me) fall into that category, so <b>yes, I remain opposed to warrantless searches</b>. There may be exceptions to my general opposition, but I can’t readily think of any – feel free to toss out any examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Let me know if you need anything else and definitely provide a response on NSA metadata & corporate scanning of your electronic communications.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Does the above answer? If I’ve failed to adequately address your questions, please come back at me – I’m trying to read carefully, but since I’ve made at least one significant mistake recently, I don’t want to do so again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Finally, Scott also wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As you pointed out previously, I'm naive not to be overly concerned about this. Fear not, I'll complain mightily about the injustice of privacy intrusion when I get railroaded by the NSA or company spying on me but maybe you'll get some satisfaction in saying 'I told you so'.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would get absolutely no satisfaction from either – I’d prefer no harm in the first place. But, the reality is that I know a lot of people who have been harmed by non-governmental privacy breaches and private information being sold & resold with absolutely no consumer control. I am acutely aware of the very real “real world” harms by those who have been the victims of identity theft (without exception through no fault of their own) and people fighting – in vain -- to get errors on credit reports corrected. There is virtually no recourse for those victims, and I personally know quite a few. OTOH, I personally know of no individual (although I’ve read news stories & I recall that poor UI student many years back) harmed by governmental spying. Please do not think I’m not totally against that kind of governmental abuse (IMO) because I am. Completely. And I regularly speak out against it and protest and do everything I can to make sure my objections are known.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But, the fact of the matter as far as I’m aware is that individuals are far, Far, FAR more likely to suffer very real harm from intrusions by businesses with minimal if any recourse than to suffer harm from governmental spying.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But, rest assured, Scott, that if you are the victim of either and so wish, I’ll be protesting just as loudly for you as for everyone else </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> And with absolutely not a single “I told you so.” I don’t see it as an either/or situation: I view both as being crucial personal privacy issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child as it is to the caterpillar.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~ Bradley Miller<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; viz<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Otter Signs Ag-Gag Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Saundra wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><Scott, you seem to be terribly confused. Idaho’s ag gag law has nothing to do with privacy rights and everything to do with property rights, so you’re trying to compare apples & oranges. Nice try, though </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>You'll get no argument from me about me being terribly confused. Thanks for the dialogue in order to set things straight and hopefully enlighten me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><A more correct analogy would be that ag gag – and other anti-whistleblowing -- laws elevate property rights above the First Amendment, but I don’t suppose you’d like that more correct analogy.></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I'm fine with that analogy and if it's constitutionally sound, then violators of ag-gag and other anti-whistle blowing laws can rest safe knowing that they can use the 1st Amendment if being prosecuted for breaking those unconstitutional laws which would result in those laws being struck down. Nice to know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><Just for the sake of consistency</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>, <b>please confirm that you yourself object to whistleblower videos, photos, etc. of: abuses, torture, and other unlawful behavior like those perpetrated at Abu Ghraib & Gitmo; documenting unsafe & illegal working conditions (like those documented by ag workers); unsafe & illegal environmental conditions on public & private lands like spills, radiation leaks, water & air contamination and the like; exposing abuses by those in authority; etc.></b></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Au contraire - I have no objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><And, just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself would have wanted Upton Sinclair prosecuted for writing <i>The Jungle</i></span></b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.></span></i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ummm....nope. I think I made it very clear below when I wrote verbatim that 'I'm in favor of investigative efforts by anyone that roots out wrongdoing.' If you feel that was an ambiguous statement, how would you reword it yourself to make it much more crisp, clear, and not prone to misinterpretation by yourself or others?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><And, just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself object to the double standard created by employers video taping, photographing, recording, etc. employees on the job, customers, and others while prohibiting employees, customers, and others from doing the same.></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Confirmed - in general I'm against double standards including ones that would benefit me personally at the detriment of someone else. I'm guessing that there might be some instances where a perceived double standard might make sense to me, but I'd need to address those on a case by case basis. Specify any if you think you can uncover an inconsistency in my opinion, and you'll likely get me to change it to something more consistent unless I have some bias due to personal experience or broken logic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><Just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself object to the use of nanny cams in homes, day cares, schools, health care facilities, state & private mental health facilities, boot camp-type programs, “homes for the retarded,” etc. to expose abuses against those who cannot protect themselves.></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Categorically deny because 'I'm in favor of investigative efforts by anyone that roots out wrongdoing.'<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><Finally, just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself reject that investigative journalism is a necessary part of keeping business and government honest.></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Categorically deny because 'I'm in favor of investigative efforts by anyone that roots out wrongdoing.'<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><To answer your question, though, if I owned a business and my employees witnessed harmful illegal behavior I was too stupid to notice myself or just didn’t care about, I would have no objection to individuals documenting and reporting those illegal activities. Absolutely none.></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Is your statement above wrt 'having no objection to individuals documenting and reporting illegal activities' unequivocal or would you prefer that your employees follow your business's policies of reporting and documenting those alleged illegal activities first to you and/or to your HR department before perhaps unnecessarily taking these charges to the press and/or police in the event that such are unfounded and might do unnecessary harm to your business?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><And, if I had a nanny in my home who thought he/she was witnessing abuse or neglect my children . . . or a pet sitter who thought he/she was witnessing abuse of my non-human family members . . . I would have no objections to said person documenting their concerns with videos, photos, etc. and providing same to the authorities for investigation. Absolutely none.></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Good to know. Would you have any objections if Google (or any other search company) were to report alleged abuse when analyzing your internet searches? Same thing if the NSA searched through metadata? Seems like the ends would justify the means if such available information brought to light genuine abuse of any living thing close to you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So are you still vehemently against the NSA and companies who offer 'free' services scanning internet traffic of everyone including some very bad people who hurt (or intend to hurt) other people and other living creatures?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><I look forward to your clarifications!></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Let me know if you need anything else and definitely provide a response on NSA metadata & corporate scanning of your electronic communications. As you pointed out previously, I'm naive not to be overly concerned about this. Fear not, I'll complain mightily about the injustice of privacy intrusion when I get railroaded by the NSA or company spying on me but maybe you'll get some satisfaction in saying 'I told you so'.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It's a matter of taking the side if the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~ Harriet Beecher Stowe</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Scott Dredge [<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 01, 2014 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; viz<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Otter Signs Ag-Gag Bill</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wow! It seems like privacy is a double edged sword, isn't it? You and Tom recently expressed your vehement outrage about how wrong and unethical it was for the NSA to be scanning metadata and for companies of so-called 'free' services (email accounts, search engines, etc.) to be recording your activity and scanning those records for information. And now unsurprisingly you've flipped-flopped in favor of surreptitious video taping. <b>Just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself have absolutely no issue with being video taped against your knowledge on your own property and in your own home in order to ensure the you are not inflicting cruelty on <insert any living thing>.</b><br><br>For the record, I find animal cruelty to be reprehensible and I'm in favor of investigative efforts by anyone that roots out wrongdoing.<br><br>-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:50:32 -0800<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Otter Signs Ag-Gag Bill<br>> <br>> Just when I think Idaho can't possibly slide any further into GOP insanity,<br>> I'm proved wrong:<br>> <a href="http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Ag-Gag-Bill-Idaho-Law-Governor-Butch-Otter-D" target="_blank">http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Ag-Gag-Bill-Idaho-Law-Governor-Butch-Otter-D</a><br>> airy-247886431.html<br>> <br>> This is beyond disgusting -- although not surprising -- that in Idaho, being<br>> a whistleblower is a bigger crime than tormenting and torturing sentient<br>> beings. And if you think this kind of despicable treatment of "farm"<br>> animals is rare in Idaho, you couldn't be more wrong. And, if you think<br>> this kind of abuse doesn't happen right here in Latah County, you're living<br>> in la-la land.<br>> <br>> Good job, Otter & you damn GOP lunatics. We'll now make it a point to make<br>> absolutely certain none of the meat or dairy products we purchase come from<br>> Idaho animals since you've decided to AGAIN condone animal abuse to protect<br>> agribuisness. The Idaho GOP has just done perhaps one of the smartest<br>> things possible to kill sustainability because the little guys will pay a<br>> bigger price than the factory farms when people like me stop buying animal<br>> product in a state that values the almighty dollar over protecting farm<br>> animals from rampant abuse. It's too bad those invested in sustainability<br>> didn't do a better job of speaking out against the ag-gag bill -- I was<br>> quite disappointed that while there has been some effective advocacy against<br>> GMOs, for raw milk, and in other issues, there seemed to be very little (if<br>> any) in-state organized opposition to the ag-gag bill. At least, according<br>> to the news articles I read. Pity.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Saundra Lund<br>> Moscow, ID<br>> <br>> I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to<br>> protection by man from cruelty of man.<br>> ~ Mahatma Ghandi<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> <a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>