<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Do we visit the same Internet? People say stupid things on the one I go to all the time.<br><br>Paul<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ron Force <rforce2003@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>; Scott Dredge <scooterd408@hotmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> viz <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:45 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9623484220"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:19px;font-size:15px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia, serif;line-height:22.5px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-style:italic;">The Lord is a warrior and in Revelation 19 is says when he comes back, he's coming back as what? A warrior. A might warrior leading a mighty army, riding a white horse with a blood-stained white robe ... I believe that blood on that robe is the blood of his enemies 'cause he's coming back as a warrior carrying a sword.</div><div
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:19px;font-size:15px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia, serif;line-height:22.5px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-style:italic;">And I believe now - I've checked this out - I believe that sword he'll be carrying when he comes back is an AR-15.</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:19px;font-size:15px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia, serif;line-height:22.5px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-style:italic;">Now I want you to think about this: where did the Second Amendment come from? ... From the Founding Fathers, it's in the Constitution . Well, yeah, I know that. But where did the whole concept come from? It came from Jesus when he said to his disciples 'now, if you don't have a sword, sell
your cloak and buy one.'</div><div><span></span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-size:15px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia, serif;line-height:22.5px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-style:italic;">I know, everybody says that was a metaphor. IT WAS NOT A METAPHOR!... And the sword today is an AR-15, so if you don't have one, go get one. You're supposed to have one. It's biblical.</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-size:15px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia, serif;line-height:22.5px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);font-style:italic;"><span style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-style:normal;line-height:24px;background-color:rgb(245, 245, 245);">Retired Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin (from Gawker)</span><br clear="none"></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Ron Force
<br clear="none">Moscow Idaho USA</div><div class="yiv9623484220yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div class="yiv9623484220yqt2674191479" id="yiv9623484220yqt75735"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:03 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div class="yiv9623484220y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9623484220"><div><div><span></span></div><div></div></div><div><div style="">How soon we forget . . .</div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div style=""><img
id="yiv9623484220CF53C90C-E9AF-4739-AC7D-39476AFAE452" src="cid:1.2201007211@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" alt="image.gif" height="453" width="640"></div><div style=""><br clear="none"></div><div><span style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/tribblesboe">http://www.moscowcares.com/tribblesboe</a></span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">The Idaho courts shot it down in 2011.</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">But, back then the guns-on-campus movement didn't have the push-and-pull support of the NRA and its gun-manufacturer base. Now it does.</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">This will open a whole new sales market for the gun manufacturers of Idaho, as well as those gun manufacturers who will find it extremely profitable to expand to Idaho, . . . college
students.</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">Imagine the marketing slogans . . .</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"For a Bigger . . . Badder . . . Better BANG!"</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"Wrap your fingers around our triggers."</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">Might I suggest an old slogan to the parents of these college students, offered by Country Joe and the Fish back in the 60s.</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">"Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box."</span></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="">'Nuff said.<br clear="none"></span><br clear="none"><div style=""><span style="">Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .</span></div><div
style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style="">"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)</span></div><div style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" style=""><font color="#000000">http://www.MoscowCares.com</font></a></div><div style=""><span style=""> </span></div><div style=""><div><span style="">Tom Hansen</span></div><div><span style="">Moscow, Idaho</span></div></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style="">"There's room at the top they are telling you still.</span></div><div style=""><span style="">But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,</span></div><div style=""><span style="">If you want to be like the folks on the hill."</span></div><div style=""><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div style=""><span style="">- John Lennon</span></div><div style=""><span
style=""> </span></div></div><div class="yiv9623484220yqt3961538988" id="yiv9623484220yqt25155"><div style=""><br clear="none">On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:42 AM, Scott
Dredge <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite" style=""><div>
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<div dir="ltr">College presidents and police chiefs are against this bill Paul. IMO, there was a ban in place and if it's unconstitutional then it should be challenged in court and struck down as such. If the ban can withstand a constitutional challenge, then that should satisfy everyone including you if you're really the champion of the constitution as you claim to be.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What's puzzling to me, and admittedly I haven't looked deeply into this issue, is why the Idaho legislature is pursing this angle at all? It doesn't seem as they're being lobbied by college students for this bill. It seems to me that they're just poking their fingers in the eyes of the liberal elites in higher education for no good reason.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Idaho Senate approve the bill and now it moves on to the House:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/feb/19/idaho-senate-oks-bill-to-allow-guns-on-cus/">http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/feb/19/idaho-senate-oks-bill-to-allow-guns-on-cus/</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Once it passes it'll be interesting to see what the next move is for the universities. I'd guess that they could still have a policy against guns on campus and that anyone carrying could face expulsion. I'd also guess that policy in itself would not be determined to be constitutional (or not) unless it was enforced upon someone and that someone filed a lawsuit against the university.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-Scott<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><hr id="yiv9623484220stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:27:46 -0800<br clear="none">From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none">To: <a
rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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I'm not saying that it should be unconditional, just that there
should be a really good reason to go against the wording of the
amendment in this way. It's the same argument about the first
amendment and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.<br clear="none">
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I guess I'm arguing that we need to heed the Constitution more.
Amendments 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be under heavy fire, so to
speak, and we (in my opinion) need to start looking to the spirit
of the text and not just the letter of it.<br clear="none">
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We have "free speech zones", attempted gun bans, the
balls-to-the-wall hoovering of all of our online data, and
assassination-by-drone programs. It's got to stop somewhere, and
holding to the Constitution seems to me to be vital if we're going
to turn this around. Without the Constitution, there is no nation
anymore. Just a bunch of thugs wielding power. It may already be
too late.<br clear="none">
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Paul<br clear="none">
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On 02/18/2014 08:17 PM, Sunil wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Paul,<br clear="none">
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If the Constitutional amendment specifically forbids such a
thing, that prohibition must be absolute.<br clear="none">
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You have made statements along this line before. I continue to
wonder why. <br clear="none">
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Why is the right to bear arms unconditional? Are you really
saying the state shall not restrict that right in any way? Is
this your opinion or is it factually correct?<br clear="none">
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<hr id="yiv9623484220ecxstopSpelling">Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:04:33 -0800<br clear="none">
From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9623484220ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none">
To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9623484220ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:dickow@turbonet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dickow@turbonet.com">dickow@turbonet.com</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9623484220ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's
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<div dir="ltr">I would like to make a couple of points
about this bill.</div>
<div dir="ltr">First, I have no doubt that police chiefs
all across the country would love it if everyone
were unarmed and they had an effective monopoly on
the use of force. That doesn't mean that it's best
for you and I. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Second, the question shouldn't be "should
we allow guns on campus", it should be "is the
situation on campus dire enough that we should
infringe upon the right to bear arms despite their
being a Constitutional amendment specifically
forbidding such a thing"?</div>
<div dir="ltr">I haven't seen any arguments yet
convincing me of that. Just a bunch of frat boy
jokes. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Paul</div>
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<hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
</b> Robert Dickow <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9623484220ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:dickow@turbonet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dickow@turbonet.com"><dickow@turbonet.com></a>; <br clear="none">
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span> </b>
'Moscow Vision 2020' <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9623484220ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a>; <br clear="none">
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span> </b>
Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's
city police chiefs <br clear="none">
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b>
Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:40:23 PM <br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv9623484220ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Concerning SB
1254, I think we should try the economic
argument against adoption. Just tell
your congresspersons that the State of
Idaho cannot afford the huge costs
associated with the passage of this
bill. It could cost millions to supply
all the teachers, professors, staffers
and campus visitors with the Kevlar
vests that we will demand having in
order to protect ourselves.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv9623484220ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Bob Dickow,
troublemaker</span></div>
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<h1 style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2014/feb/16/masterson-why-police-leader-feels-compelled-take-his-message-directly-people/"><span style="color:#26465D;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;">Masterson:
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<div class="yiv9623484220ecxyqt9359472325" id="yiv9623484220ecxyqtfd24448">Boise Police Chief Mike
Masterson has sent out a guest opinion,
entitled, “Why a police leader feels
compelled to take his message directly to
the people,” urging Idaho citizens to
contact their legislators about SB 1254,
the bill to allow guns on Idaho's public
college campuses, where they're now
banned. Masterson says he and three other
police chiefs were blocked from </div>
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