<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span></span></div><div><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Developing the corridor (Scott Dredge)<br> 2. Re: $20 Hamburgers if Minimum Wage is Raised? See answer<br> below (Scott Dredge)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:12:51 -0700<br>From: Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a>>, viz<br> <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Developing the corridor<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:BLU175-W2877CF01E4AAB683F53337E4AF0@phx.gbl" ymailto="mailto:BLU175-W2877CF01E4AAB683F53337E4AF0@phx.gbl">BLU175-W2877CF01E4AAB683F53337E4AF0@phx.gbl</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br><Many things are negotiated behind closed doors.><br>No surprise here. That's the way business is routinely conducted when scoping out ventures.<br><font color="#c00000">Yes, I agree. Especially in government corruption instances.</font> <br><This bond will cost the residents of Pullman.><br>How much additional money on average will come out of the pocketbooks of the residents of Pullman with the bond as opposed to without the bond?<br><font color="#c00000">Doesn't matter. Pullman taxpayers will fund development outside the city limits.</font> <br><Moscow businesses
will face more competition if this mall is built.><br>Can you site specific examples of this? Which businesses being currently being blocked from setting up shop in Moscow that would otherwise be permitted to set up shop in the so-called megamall?<br><font color="#c00000">If they do get lucky and get a Lowes, or Home Depot to build there, maybe by some magic, it won't undercut Moscow Building Supply. The list is endless...well it's as long as the list of current Moscow businesses anyhow.</font> <br><Taxes may increase for Moscow businesses and residents. ><br>Based on what mechanism?</div><div><font color="#c00000">Simple logic dictates that the cost of running the city will not go down. If the number of businesses paying municipal taxes shrinks, who do you think will have to pick up the tab?</font><br><br><Ok, so who really is going to get rich off a scheme to build a mall and <br>vast acres of parking lot
rivaling the size of the U of I campus?><br>Why is this relevant? Let's just hypothetically say it's either 1) Moscow's hated Devil Preacher, or 2) Moscow's beloved Tom Hansen. How would you block Mr. Mean on legal grounds that would hold no water in blocking Mr. Not-So-Mean?<br><font color="#c00000">I don't even know how to respond to this goofy statement.</font></div><div> </div><div><font color="#c00000">Finally, so this mall will further "uglify" our western border. Acres of asphalt, more light pollution, diminishment of a limited supply of precious aquifer water. All for what? A couple of hundred minimum wage jobs (yea, I admit the minimum wage in Wa. is $9.32), and the enrichment of a few already wealth people.</font> <br>-Scott<br><br>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:35:31 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com" ymailto="mailto:rhayes@frontier.com">rhayes@frontier.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: [Vision2020] Developing the corridor<br><br>Many things are negotiated behind closed doors. I am guessing the below article speaks of one such back room deal. <br> This bond will cost the residents of Pullman. Moscow businesses will face more competition if this mall is built. Taxes may increase for Moscow businesses and residents. <br>Ok, so who really is going to get rich off a scheme to build a mall and vast acres of parking lot rivaling the size of the U of I campus? <br><br><br>Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:00 am Pullman takes first step toward corridor expansion By Bill McKee, Daily News staff writer
Moscow-Pullman Daily News |<br> 0 comments Pullman's City Council approved Monday evening both a $1.67 million bond and a contract with Washington State University to share costs in the construction of a new city sewer line that many hope will spur development along the Pullman-Moscow Corridor.<br> From: "<a href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com"
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.<br>Message-ID: <003d01cf1d2a$0cfc5890$26f509b0$@turbonet.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I like how it is so conveniently located for Whitman County residents!!<br><br>And of course the need is severe! Especially since the PM has not at full<br>occupancy, forever as far as I know!!<br><br> <br><br>Andy Boyd<br><br> <br><br>From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>On Behalf Of Cathy & Jack Porter<br>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:52 AM<br>To: Scott Dredge<br>Cc: viz<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Hawkins Mall . . .<br><br> <br><br>I do KNOW that my argument won't hold any water. It's just my opinion.<br>But, I doubt there is any way to make it look "pretty" from
the<br> highway. <br><br>Cathy<br><br> <br><br>On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Scott Dredge <<a href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>I don't think the 'eyesore' argument will hold much water in trying to block<br>this development. Especially if it's the birdseye view as shown below. It<br>can always be made to look 'pretty' viewing it from the highway.<br><br> _____ <br><br>From: <a href="mailto:cathy.b.porter@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:cathy.b.porter@gmail.com">cathy.b.porter@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:07:39 -0800<br>To: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Hawkins Mall . . .<br><br> <br><br>I agree, it's pretty
big! <br> No need for this big eyesore, in my opinion.<br><br>Cathy<br><br> <br><br>On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>. . . courtesy of the Hawkins Companies at:<br><br> <br><br><a href="http://www.hawkinscompanies.com/forlease/WA_Pullman_Hwy270-AirportRd.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hawkinscompanies.com/forlease/WA_Pullman_Hwy270-AirportRd.htm</a><br><br> <br><br><br> <br><br>image.jpeg<br><br> <br><br>Looks like a mega-mall to me.<br><br> <br><br>Again I ask: From what source, and with what agreement, is this mall to<br>receive water?<br><br> <br><br>Hmmm.<br><br> <br><br>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br><br> <br><br>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br><br> <<a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank">http://www.moscowcares.com/</a>> <a
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ymailto="mailto:BLU175-W24B77B72F485CDBCF0DA3AE4AF0@phx.gbl">BLU175-W24B77B72F485CDBCF0DA3AE4AF0@phx.gbl</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br><br>In general, I'm in favor optimally raising the minimum wage but am against 'minimum wage = living wage'.<br><br>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:52:36 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: [Vision2020] $20 Hamburgers if Minimum Wage is Raised? See answer below<br><br>See attached PDF file to see the figures.Support Idaho Minimum Wage Hike<br><br><br><br>An<br>organization called RaiseIdaho is collecting signatures for a petition to raise<br>Idaho?s MW to $10.10 on January 1, 2018. <br>Please add yours at www.raiseidaho.org/files/<br>76280198.pdf. Print more copies and<br>get your
friends and colleagues to sign as well. <br><br>Idaho has the dubious distinction of having the highest percentage of minimum wage workers in the<br>entire country. Idaho has also experienced the largest increase in the<br>number of people using food stamps. The two are obviously related. Idahoans are not lazy; they are simply not<br>paid enough to put food on their tables. If Idaho raised its minimum wage, 25%<br>of Idaho workers would get a much needed pay hike, and they would be less<br>reliant on government assistance.<br><br> <br><br>Bill Sali and the Law of<br>Gravity<br><br> <br><br>In January 2007, during the<br>debate on raising the federal minimum wage to $7.25, former Idaho Congressman Bill<br>Sali embarrassed himself by proposing legislation to repeal the law of gravity.<br>Market ideologues are so blinded by their ?pure? economic theory that they<br>routinely ignore overwhelming evidence that government intervention in the<br>economy is not
always bad. As the<br>evidence below shows, insisting on a completely free labor market and keeping<br>workers at the lowest possible wages do not always grow the economy. Nor is it healthy for<br>society as a whole. <br><br>Facts about the Minimum Wage (MW) <br><br>It?s not just young fast food workers who<br>earn it. According<br>to the National Employment Law Project, 40 percent are now 25 years or older, with the average<br>being 29, and 36 percent have children. Nearly two out of three MW wage earners are women and of those,<br>more than half are older than 24. A great majority of tipped workers are women;<br>and the federal MW for them has been frozen at $2.13 for 20 years.<br><br>Raising the MW does not hurt<br>economic growth. In the states that have raised their MW, there has been,<br>according to the National Employment Law Project, a total increase in Gross State<br>Product (GSP) of $619 million. Idaho Governor ?Butch? Otter boasts about
Idaho?s economic growth,<br>but our Washington neighbors, with the nation?s highest MW, have produced a<br>much higher GSP per capita. In fact, six states with the highest MW have the<br>highest GSP per capita. Most of the states with no MW, or just the federal rate,<br>have the lowest GSP per capita. The ideologues are disproved.<br><br>A Higher MW stimulates the<br>economy. In<br>July 2007 the MW went to $5.85/hour, and consumer spending rose $1.7 billion.<br>In July 2008 the new MW of $6.55 added $3.1 billion to the economy. The current<br>$7.25 went into effect in July 2009, and consumers spent $5.6 billion over the<br>next year. <br><br>In 2011 Congress failed to act on President Obama?s plea to boost<br>the MW to $9.50; and, according to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of<br>Chicago, at least $60 billion over two years was lost to the economy at a<br>critical time for its recovery.<br><br>According<br>to the Economic Policy Institute, a MW of
$10.10, which President Obama has now<br>mandated for federal contract workers, would add $22 billion to the economy and<br>produce about 85,000 new jobs. According to a study done by the Restaurant<br>Opportunities Centers United, 58 percent of America?s working poor would have<br>been lifted out of poverty if a $10.10 MW had been enacted in 2011.<br><br>A higher MW moves people out of poverty<br>and off government assistance. Kai<br>Filion of the Economic Policy Institute sates: ?One of the biggest problems<br>during a recession is the decrease in consumer demand. When consumers cut back<br>on spending, employers respond by cutting back on jobs. Reducing the wages of<br>already low-wage workers will only make this problem worse, and will hurt those<br>who are least well off.? Why should businesses risk the loss of customers so<br>poor that they cannot buy their goods? <br><br>Kurt A. Gardiner at the Huffington<br>Post explains that increased
consumer spending ?will have a ripple effect<br>throughout the economy (this is known by economists as the multiplier effect),<br>unlike, say, tax cuts for the nation?s wealthiest.? Gardiner continues: ?Raising<br>the minimum wage by just $2.85 an hour to $10.10 would push nearly 5 million of<br>the working poor out of poverty and would push many of them off government<br>assistance programs, which they still qualify for despite working full-time<br>jobs.?<br><br>Businesses will not fail if they raise wages. Since the Reagan administration, real wages have<br>been flat, and the federal MW would be $10.71 if it had been pegged to<br>inflation. In stark contrast, corporate profits and the stock market are at an<br>all-time high. If the MW had grown at the same rate as wages for the top 1%, it would now be $28.34 per hour.<br><br><br>In his recent state-of-the-union speech, President Obama<br>challenged America?s businesses to give their employees a
raise. They can<br>afford it, and it is only fair to do so. If they would pay their employees a<br>living wage, then a government mandate would not be necessary. Businesses<br>should also add paid sick and maternity leave as well, because many states are<br>starting to require it.<br><br>A higher<br>MW does not kill jobs. An article published in the Review of Economics and Statistics<br>demonstrated that job growth in states with higher MW is almost the same as<br>those with the federal MW of $7.25 or lower. The University of Chicago?s Booth School of<br>Business?dominated by freemarketeers?has done a survey of 38 leading economists.<br>The response was?by a four-to-one margin?that the positives of raising the MW<br>outweigh the negatives. Right-wingers who say that hamburgers would cost $20<br>are, as usual, in La-La-Land. See below<br>for what a Big Mac costs in Australia, which has the highest MW in the world.<br><br>Raising the MW wage does
not<br>reduce teen employment. Three university economists have done an in-depth study of this<br>claim and have found that it is not supported by the facts. (See www.irle. berkeley.edu/working<br>papers /166-08.pdf.) Igor Volsky of Think<br>Progress reports that ?in 2009 researchers conducted a review of 64 minimum wage<br>studies published between 1972 and 2007 measuring the impact of minimum wages<br>on teenage employment and when they graphed ?every employment estimate<br>contained in these studies (over 1,000 in total), weighting each estimate by<br>its statistical precision, they found that the most precise estimates were<br>heavily clustered at or near zero employment effects.??<br><br>Minimum Wage in Brazil and Australia<br><br>As<br>America?s middle class shrinks, it is growing, sometimes, dramatically, in<br>other countries. Brazil, for example, has reduced its poverty rate from 40<br>percent 2001 to 25 percent in 2009, and 52 percent of
Brazilians can now call<br>themselves middle class. The socialist government just announced an<br>unemployment rate of 4.6 percent, an historic low. One of the drivers of this<br>remarkable success was a dramatic rise in the MW.<br><br>At<br>$16.37 per hour Australia now has the highest MW in the world. It was one of<br>the few countries that sailed through the Great Recession with nary a hiccup.<br>Its current growth rate is 2.4 percent (compared to the U.S. at 1.8 percent)<br>and its unemployment rate is 5.8 percent. This was all achieved under a Labor<br>(read Socialist) government. And<br>according to Rep. Markwayne Mullin<br>(R-OK), an Australian Big Mac should cost $20, right? Wrong, it costs $3.75. <br><br>600<br>Economists Support $10.10 MV<br><br>In a letter to congressional leaders, 600 Ph.D.-holding<br>economists urge them to increase the federal MW to $10.10. Here is an excerpt:<br>?The weight of evidence now show[s] that increases in
the minimum wage have had<br>little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum wage workers. . . . Research<br>suggests that a minimum wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on<br>the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand<br>and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front.?<br><br><br> <br> <br> Poll shows 71 percent in favor of Higher<br> MW<br> <br> A January 8, 2014 Quinnipiac poll showed<br> that 71 percent of those polled supported raising the MW by 71 percent. Even<br> a majority of Republicans agreed by a margin of 52-45. The pollster gave the<br> following options and results: 18 percent wanted a MW higher than $10.10; 33<br> percent was in favor of $10.10; 18<br> percent desired a rate higher than $7.25, but not $10.10; and 27 percent<br> opposed a MW increase.<br> <br> The following figure
shows that if the MW<br> was indexed to worker productivity, it would now be $18.67/hour. Since the<br> Reagan administration the most productive workers in the world have been<br> cheated of results of their hard-earned labor. Many companies have been buying back their<br> own stock rather than investing their profits in the economy.<br> <br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br>The next figure demonstrates<br>that in none of the states are MW workers able to earn enough in a 40-hour week<br>to afford a 2-bedroom apartment. (Even<br>the ?best? states require working 70 hours.) That is the reason why parents<br>in these families are now working 3-4 jobs. <br>They have no money to pay for day-care and preschool possibilities are<br>limited, especially in the Red States, where most of the MW workers live.<br><br> <br><br><br><br><br> <br><br>=======================================================<br> List services made
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