<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>*Thinking aloud*<br><br></div>Perhaps the half time entertainment should be changed to... <br></div>You guessed it..<br></div><div>*grin*<br></div>The Doobie Brothers..<br><br></div>
In all seriousness, about five years ago, something happened to my lungs. I can't be in the vicinity of any kind of smoke.. campfire, chimney smoke, cigarette smoke.. etc.. when we have dust storms down here, I am stuck in the house. Instantly, I am in respiratory distress. It doesn't seem logical that secondary marijuana smoke would be much of a problem for people in a public venue, or, would it be? Smoking cigarettes isn't allowed, why would smoking a pipe of marijuana be allowed? <br>
<br></div>My train of thought... if we, meaning the growers in Colorado, and Washington are growing marijuana, I would imagine the product would be less likely to have angel dust, and whatever else is put on the product before it comes to the US. <br>
<br></div>There are 100 chemicals added to tobacco.. some for the specific purpose to cause addiction. Ammonia is added. AMMONIA!!! For pity sakes, no wonder people get cancer!!! <br><div><div><br></div><div>The first time I was exposed to marijuana was in 6th grade.. exposed meaning, knowing what it was, seeing it.. smelling it... since that time, some 45 years ago, I've never seen a pothead beat his wife senseless... working in a hospital, I've witnessed the result of drunks beating people, killing them even.. Potheads are not violent people.. Mix something with the pot, and yes, the potential is there.. the only "problem" I see with marijuana is the lack of drive and ambition in a heavy user.. but, the same can be said about people addicted to the internet. <br>
<br></div><div>Hope my ramble is clearer than mud. *sigh~laugh* Lately, I've been having a time with logic interpretation of my thoughts. A serious request.. If there is anyone here who can help me interpret what I am supposed to do regarding the Affordable Care Act? If so, a private conversation would be much appreciated. I have Cobra until the end of July, and don't know when I am to apply, and don't want to apply now, and do something incorrect in the application process, and sign up too soon, and lose my good insurance.<br>
<br></div><div>Janesta<br></div><div><br><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div><br>
Sorry, life intervened there for a bit. Yes, I was speaking of
smoke inhalation of any type. I'm all for recreational use of
marijuana (though I'm not interested in it myself), but I don't
want people to make it into some kind of wonder drug that will
never harm you but will allow you to ace your math tests and feed
your cats or whatever claims are being made about it. There are
very likely long-term side-effects of inhaling smoke regularly,
and I think people should go into it with their eyes open.<br>
<br>
Also, what do we do about all the people that are in jail because
of possession of marijuana in the past?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Paul</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 01/20/2014 08:29 PM, Sunil wrote:<br>
</div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Exactly how I read it. I think one difference with
pot is that presumably users would smoke less than a regular
cigarette smoker does, and therefore would be exposed to fewer
possible carcinogens.<br>
<br>
Sunil<br>
<br>
<div>
<hr>From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:24:40 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Pot backers all abuzz about Super
Bowl link<br>
<br>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Maybe
I’m misunderstanding Paul’s point, but I understood him
to mean inhaling smoke – of any kind, not just from
marijuana – is likely dangerous on some level. And,
while I’ve not looked up all kinds of smoke, that’s
something I think I’d agree with, although it’s likely a
matter of degree. Certainly, tobacco smoke is widely
recognized to contain carcinogens, but it’s also thought
that there are carcinogens in other types of smokes
(forest fires, wood stoves, industry, etc.),
particularly with extended exposure. At least, that’s
my understanding.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Saundra</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Tom Hansen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2014 7:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Moscow Vision 2020<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Pot backers all
abuzz about Super Bowl link</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p>Mr. Rumelhart -</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>You allege that smoking
marijuana "has to be dangerous at some level" and that
"people are downplaying it's [its] risks".</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>I agree that people should not
drive after smoking marijuana, nor should they partake
in any other activity from which they are denied as a
result of alcohol consumption, but . . . </p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>What risks, related to smoking
marijuana, are people downplaying?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
<div>
<p>Seeya 'round town, Moscow,
because . . .</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun
you can have with your pants on)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p>Tom Hansen</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Moscow, Idaho</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>"There's room at the top they
are telling you still.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>But first you must learn to
smile as you kill,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>If you want to be like the
folks on the hill."</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>- John Lennon</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
On Jan 20, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p><br>
Cigarette smoking is more prevalent than smoking
marijuana, especially historically, meaning more
potential for cancers to develop. It's a
reasonable concern, especially as corporations get
into the marijuana business. You are still
inhaling smoke, after all, and that has to be
dangerous at some level.<br>
<br>
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for legalizing it, it
just appears to me that people are downplaying
it's risks.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 01/20/2014 03:21 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>A person is FAAARRRR
more likely to develop lung cancer from
inhaling cigarette smoke than from inhaling
marijuana smoke.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>I do not know of ANY
cases where somebody contracted cancer as a
result of exposure to cannabis. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Do you, Mr. Falen?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Those were the days .
. . the bud . . . the bong . . . and the . .
.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>"Shotgun"</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a href="http://www.TomandRodna.com/Songs/Shotgun.mp3" target="_blank">http://www.TomandRodna.com/Songs/Shotgun.mp3</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p>Seeya 'round town,
Moscow, because . . .</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>"Moscow Cares" (the
most fun you can have with your pants on)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a href="http://www.moscowcares.com/" target="_blank"><span style>http://www.MoscowCares.com</span></a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p>Tom Hansen</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Moscow, Idaho</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>"There's room at the
top they are telling you still.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>But first you must
learn to smile as you kill,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>If you want to be
like the folks on the hill."</p>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>- John Lennon</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p><br>
On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:53 PM, lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com" target="_blank">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>I do not have a
problem with the legalization of pot,
but there is one thing I think the
left is overlooking and that is smoke.</p>
<p>There seems to
be a major problem with cigarette
smoke. why not the same with marijuana
smoke?</p>
<p>Roger</p>
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From: "Tom Hansen" <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
Date: 01/19/14 15:16<br>
Subject: [Vision2020] Pot backers
all abuzz about Super Bowl link</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><image.jpeg></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Courtesy
of today's (January 19, 2014)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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<div>
<h1 style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Pot
backers all abuzz about Super
Bowl link</span></h1>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">WASHINGTON
- If oddsmakers are correct,
the Seattle Seahawks and
Denver Broncos will win
today's National Football
League conference championship
games, advancing to a truly
historic Super Bowl on Feb. 2:</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The
Marijuana Bowl? A return of
the Bud Bowl?</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The
teams represent the biggest
cities in Colorado and
Washington, the only states
that have legalized the sale
of recreational marijuana.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Shortly
after those voters made their
decisions in November 2012,
travel guide Arthur Frommer
said both cities should brace
for "a torrent of new
tourism." Now the two cities
might face off in one of the
world's biggest sporting
extravaganzas, giving the
media a fresh story hook for
the next two weeks.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Pot
backers are tickled.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"It's
something that those of us in
the movement have had an eye
on for a long time," said
Steve Fox, who works for a
marijuana-industry law firm
in Denver.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">If
the matchup does materialize,
said Allen St. Pierre, the
executive director of the
National Organization for the
Reform of Marijuana Laws, it
will feature "the two most
pro-cannabis- legalization
cities in the U.S." He
jokingly suggested that the
game be renamed "The Super
Oobie Doobie Bowl."</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">There
is a more serious side to
all this.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Since
Jan. 1, when Colorado opened
its retail pot shops, it's
been legal to purchase and use
the drug, at least under state
law. But it's still illegal
for NFL players who live in
the state to use marijuana
because it's banned under the
league's collective bargaining
agreement. That will be true
in Washington, as well, when
the state opens its own shops
this spring.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Lobbyists
are pushing the NFL to stop
punishing players who fail
drug tests for smoking pot,
saying the drug could help
them deal with concussions and
other injuries.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">And
they want to call attention to
the league's cozy relationship
with the alcohol industry:
Anheuser-Busch, for example,
pitches its Bud Light as the
"proud sponsor of the NFL" and
once aired ads showing
Budweiser and Bud Light beer
bottles competing in a
halftime "Bud Bowl"
football game.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"Hopefully
there will be a break in the
beer commercials for some
discussion about marijuana
laws," said Mason Tvert,
spokesman for the
pro-legalization Marijuana
Policy Project in Denver.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">In
September, the organization
put up a 48-foot-wide
billboard next to Denver's
Sports Authority Field at Mile
High, urging the NFL to "stop
driving players to drink" and
saying that pot represented "a
safer choice" for the
athletes. And the group
launched a petition to
pressure NFL Commissioner
Roger Goodell to change the
league's marijuana policy.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fox,
the marijuana industry lawyer,
pointed out that the Broncos
and Seahawks both lost key
players this season for
violating the NFL drug policy,
reportedly because of
marijuana use.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">He
said the NFL should follow the
National Hockey League, which
tests only for
performance-enhancing drugs.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">And
he noted that the World
Anti-Doping Agency responded
to more lax drug laws in many
countries last summer by
loosening the marijuana
standard for Olympic athletes.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Goodell
caused a stir last week during
an interview with <a href="http://espn.com/" target="_blank"><b><span style="text-decoration:none">ESPN.com</span></b></a>when
he left open the possibility
of the league allowing players
to use medical marijuana in
the future.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">With
the commissioner even talking
about marijuana during the
playoffs, St. Pierre said the
public could expect to hear
plenty about pot in the next
two weeks, even if Seattle and
Denver don't win their games.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"I
think there will be more
references to pot going into
the Super Bowl week media hype
than any previous NFL game in
history," he said.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Comedian
Jay Leno jumped in Tuesday
night during his monologue on
NBC's "The Tonight Show,"
saying a Denver-Seattle
matchup would give "a whole
new meaning to the term
Super Bowl."</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fox
and Tvert boasted that even
the visiting teams in Sunday's
games - the San Francisco
49ers will travel to Seattle,
while the New England Patriots
go to Denver - represent
regions of the country where
marijuana use is allowed for
medical purposes.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"It
won't be long before it's
unique to have two teams in
the Super Bowl that haven't
made marijuana legal,"
Tvert said.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">For
this year, at least, it's been
a tough season for NFL teams
from states where all pot use
is outlawed.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Among
the losers in the playoffs
this month: the Carolina
Panthers, Indianapolis Colts,
Kansas City Chiefs, Green Bay
Packers, Philadelphia Eagles,
New Orleans Saints and
Cincinnati Bengals.</span></p>
<p style="overflow:visible"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"If
you noticed, the more
marijuana-friendly localities
really kicked butt," Fox said.
"I don't know what it really
means in the grand scheme of
things, but it's a nice bit of
karma if nothing else."</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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. . .</span></p>
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<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"Moscow
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Tom
Hansen</span></p>
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<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Moscow,
Idaho</span></p>
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</div>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<br>
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"There's
room at the top they are
telling you still.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">But
first you must learn to
smile as you kill,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">If
you want to be like the
folks on the hill."</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-
John Lennon</span></p>
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List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
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List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>
<a href="http://www.fsr.net" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a><br>
mailto:<a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
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