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<DIV>In Idaho we work on the cheap, from the Governor on down, and then we
wonder why our poverty rates are so high, our schools and universities are
raising taxes and tuition to keep the doors open, and our infrastructure falls
apart. You gave 3 good reasons: greed, selfishness, and
ignorance. Our legislature will prove the point one more time when
they again refuse to expand Medicaid. We don’t really believe we have a
class of “working poor.” All our poor folks are lazy and could find work
if, “they only applied themselves.” And that many of our poor are children
is irrelevant. Their mothers shouldn’t have had them if they didn’t have a
man willing to support them. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rhayes@frontier.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:40 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I work in Washington. I see MacDonalds is always busy, Safeway is
full of customers, Walmart's parking lot is full of cars, Arbys is constantly
cutting sandwich meat, the university continues to hire cleaners and other
minimum wage workers. Yet, I don't see a large disparity in the costs of things
between Pullman and Moscow. And by the way, all workers in Washington now
receive a minimum wage of <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,128)">$9.32 per hour!
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<DIV>Pullman is booming while according to certain factions(hint-GMA- Lambert,
Steed, others)Moscow is stagnant. Walter Steed complained (before the election)
that 1,700 cars commuted to Pullman every morning for work. Wouldn't a more than
2 dollar employee expense for business dictate that all the businesses would be
migrating to Moscow? But they are not. And hamburgers are not more expensive in
Pullman. And gasoline is 2 cents more a gallon. </DIV>
<DIV>I don't know what propels people to resist a <SPAN
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paid workers...other that greed, mixed with a large dose of selfishness, served
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Re: Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964) (Paul
Rumelhart)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:38:14 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: Paul Rumelhart <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To:
Donovan Arnold <<A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>,<BR>
"<A href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</A>" <<A
href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</A>>, "<A
href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A>"<BR>
<<A href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A>><BR>Cc: "<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow">vision2020@moscow</A> com" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8,
1964)<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A
href="mailto:1389289094.85052.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:1389289094.85052.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com">1389289094.85052.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>If our government mandates an increase in
wages, won't most businesses in this tough economy who have already mapped out
just how much they can afford to spend on salaries (and benefits) simply lay
some people off?? The only other option is to raise prices, but people selling
widgets are already working to hit that optimal price for their product based on
a number of factors.? Having to raise price to offset salaries could upset the
apple cart.? Same thing if they have to scale back because they can't afford to
pay everyone at the new wage level.<BR><BR>I'm curious whether that 10 to 25
percent number is really what we see
locally.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR>From:
Donovan Arnold <<A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To:
"<A href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</A>" <<A
href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</A>>; "<A
href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A>" <<A
href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A>> <BR>Cc: "<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow">vision2020@moscow</A> com" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>> <BR>Sent:
Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:49 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago
today (January 8, 1964)<BR><BR><BR><BR>The welfare state is bloated. It is
bloated because wages are so low that a family of two working adults cannot pay
their basic living expenses. If we raised wages less people would be on
goverment assistance and more would be paying taxes instead. The idea that
raising wages only causes inflation is an outdated one. This was when labor was
50 to 90 percent of a business's expenses. Today, because of automation and
moving of jobs overseas, labor is only 10 to 25 percent of a business's
expense. Further, the bottom 90 percent of wage earners make up an even
smaller percentage of a business's expenses. Therefore, raising wages even as
much as 50 percent would only cause a 5 percent increase in prices cover loses
by employers. A 50 percent pay raise for 5 percent inflation would be a good
increase in quality of life. <BR>Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
<BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR>From: Nicholas Gier
<<A href="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:ngier006@gmail.com">ngier006@gmail.com</A>>; <BR>To:
Kai Eiselein <<A href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</A>>;
<BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>>;
<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
<BR>Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 7:44:59 AM <BR><BR><BR>The question to ask
about American poverty is where would we be today without Medicare, Medicaid,
and Food Stamps? ?We are now at the bottom of most industrialized nations in
general health (worst in preventable deaths), poverty, child health, STDs,
infant mortality, adult life spans, etc., etc. Without these programs we would
have dropped to into Third World conditions.<BR><BR>Kai: if it is the bloated
welfare state's fault, why is it that the Nordic countries (see attached) with
the most generous benefits and highest taxes are at the top of of all these
quality of life indicators? ?As I have been saying for years, economic facts
defeat the GOP on every issue.<BR><BR>Brazil has raised its minimum wage twice
in huge increments, and its poverty rate has dropped dramatically and its
economy keeps humming along. ?If the U.S. federal minimum wage had kept pace
with inflation, we would have won the war on poverty with that effort alone.
Adjusted for inflation wages have been flat since Ronnie Reagan, while the
fruits of our labor has gone to the rich and the corporations.<BR><BR>The
minimum wage in Australia is $16/hour and it was one of the only countries that
flew through the Great Recession with flying colors. ?They were government by
the lefty Labor Party the whole time.<BR><BR>The facts support the Middle Way
between Communism and Libertarianism,<BR><BR>Nick<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Wed, Jan 8,
2014 at 7:05 PM, Kai Eiselein <<A href="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fotopro63@hotmail.com">fotopro63@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>That's pretty much what the graph in USA Today showed this
morning. They had an article about it in yesterday and today's edition. Saw it
while eating breakfast at a La Quinta the past two mornings.<BR>>If I had to
venture a guess for why it has failed, it would be that too much money goes to
bloated bureaucracies and not enough gets to the actual programs.<BR>>Our
government can be counted on for a few things:<BR>>Lies<BR>>Spying on
citizens<BR>>F---king up just about everything it tries to
manage.<BR>><BR>>________________________________<BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:scooterd408@hotmail.com">scooterd408@hotmail.com</A><BR>>>
To: <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:51:55 -0700<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty
years ago today (January 8, 1964)<BR>><BR>>><BR>>> War on Poverty
at 50 -- despite trillions spent, poverty won<BR>>> 'Over, the last 50
years, the government spent more than $16 trillion<BR>>> to fight
poverty.<BR>>> Yet today, 15 percent of Americans still live in poverty.
That?s<BR>>> scarcely better than the 19 percent living in poverty at the
time of<BR>>> Johnson?s speech. Nearly 22 percent of children live in
poverty<BR>>> today. In 1964, it was 23 percent.'<BR>>><BR>>>
<A
href="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/08/war-on-poverty-at-50-despite-trillions-spent-poverty-won/"
target=_blank>http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/08/war-on-poverty-at-50-despite-trillions-spent-poverty-won/</A><BR>>><BR>>>
I don't have the time to fact check, but the story is from Fox News<BR>>>
which is the only source of news trusted by
conservatives.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
________________________________<BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>>> Date:
Wed, 8 Jan 2014 04:48:26 -0800<BR>>> To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>>
Subject: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8,
1964)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "This administration today, here and
now, declares unconditional war on<BR>>> poverty in America. I urge this
Congress and all Americans to join with<BR>>> me in that
effort.<BR>>><BR>>> It will not be a short or easy struggle, no
single weapon or strategy<BR>>> will suffice, but we shall not rest until
that war is won. The richest<BR>>> Nation on earth can afford to win it.
We cannot afford to lose it. One<BR>>> thousand dollars invested in
salvaging an unemployable youth today can<BR>>> return $40,000 or more in
his lifetime.<BR>>><BR>>> Poverty is a national problem, requiring
improved national organization<BR>>> and support. But this attack, to be
effective, must also be organized<BR>>> at the State and the local level
and must be supported and directed by<BR>>> State and local
efforts.<BR>>><BR>>> For the war against poverty will not be won
here in Washington. It must<BR>>> be won in the field, in every private
home, in every public office,<BR>>> from the courthouse to the White
House.<BR>>><BR>>> The program I shall propose will emphasize this
cooperative approach to<BR>>> help that one-fifth of all American families
with incomes too small to<BR>>> even meet their basic
needs.<BR>>><BR>>> Our chief weapons in a more pinpointed attack
will be better schools,<BR>>> and better health, and better homes, and
better training, and better<BR>>> job opportunities to help more
Americans, especially young Americans,<BR>>> escape from squalor and
misery and unemployment rolls where other<BR>>> citizens help to carry
them.<BR>>><BR>>> Very often a lack of jobs and money is not the
cause of poverty, but<BR>>> the symptom. The cause may lie deeper in our
failure to give our fellow<BR>>> citizens a fair chance to develop their
own capacities, in a lack of<BR>>> education and training, in a lack of
medical care and housing, in a<BR>>> lack of decent communities in which
to live and bring up their<BR>>> children.<BR>>><BR>>> But
whatever the cause, our joint Federal-local effort must pursue<BR>>>
poverty, pursue it wherever it exists--in city slums and small
towns,<BR>>> in sharecropper shacks or in migrant worker camps, on
Indian<BR>>> Reservations, among whites as well as Negroes, among the
young as well<BR>>> as the aged, in the boom towns and in the depressed
areas.<BR>>><BR>>> Our aim is not only to relieve the symptom of
poverty, but to cure it<BR>>> and, above all, to prevent it. No single
piece of legislation, however,<BR>>> is going to
suffice.<BR>>><BR>>> We will launch a special effort in the
chronically distressed areas of<BR>>> Appalachia.<BR>>><BR>>>
We must expand our small but our successful area redevelopment
program.<BR>>><BR>>> We must enact youth employment legislation to
put jobless, aimless,<BR>>> hopeless youngsters to work on useful
projects.<BR>>><BR>>> We must distribute more food to the needy
through a broader food stamp<BR>>> program.<BR>>><BR>>> We
must create a National Service Corps to help the economically<BR>>>
handicapped of our own country as the Peace Corps now helps those<BR>>>
abroad.<BR>>><BR>>> We must modernize our unemployment insurance and
establish a high-level<BR>>> commission on automation. If we have the
brain power to invent these<BR>>> machines, we have the brain power to
make certain that they are a boon<BR>>> and not a bane to
humanity.<BR>>><BR>>> We must extend the coverage of our minimum
wage laws to more than 2<BR>>> million workers now lacking this basic
protection of purchasing power.<BR>>><BR>>> We must, by including
special school aid funds as part of our education<BR>>> program, improve
the quality of teaching, training, and counseling in<BR>>> our hardest hit
areas."<BR>>><BR>>> - President Lyndon Johnson in his State of the
Union Address (January<BR>>> 8, 1964)<BR>>><BR>>> <A
href="http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/640108.asp"
target=_blank>http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/640108.asp</A><BR>>><BR>>>
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Moscow, because . . .<BR>>><BR>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you
can have with your pants on)<BR>>> <A href="http://www.moscowcares.com/"
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href="http://www.moscowcares.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.moscowcares.com/</A>><BR>><BR>>><BR>>>
Tom Hansen<BR>>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>>><BR>>> "There's room at
the top they are telling you still.<BR>>> But first you must learn to
smile as you kill,<BR>>> If you want to be like the folks on the
hill."<BR>>><BR>>> - John Lennon<BR>>><BR>>>
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